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They'll come demanding our votes any day now
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Although that is true, you were never promised a fair world.
You need to use all your cunning and what little power you have to best negotiate the one you live in. Being able to vote democrats in gave you two parties to play against each other. The option of a lesser evil.
By not voting, and allowing the republicans to stack the supreme court, non-voters gave away their last bargaining chip.
It is not the parties that will burn.
*Two parties to be played by. The existence of two parties allows the ruling class to launder their neoliberalism and/or fascism through a "legitimate" political process. If there was only one party people would actually take to the streets.
And maybe there's a way to do that better than carrying water for the "lesser evil" that ends up losing to fascists anyway? The model you're proposing has decisively failed anyway; might as well try something else.
Liberal lesser evil gave us incremental fascism
Refusing to vote for the imperfect candidate over the literal fascist gave us fascism.
I have to correct this: ~~imperfect candidate~~ genocider who also outright ignored that you're being robbed of your labor and you are no longer paid enough to buy food. And for added fun, the candidate doesn't have a working brain anymore.
Imperfect indeed. I wonder just how badly Democrats have to fail before you'd change your behavior.
The Biden years were the absolute best years in living memory for lowskilled labour opportunity and wages.
You hated it because it made doordash cost more and you interpreted help wanted signs in storefronts as high unemployment.
LOL, taking a bit of liberty with the words 'living memory', and further, you're wrong. It's why Harris eventually had to turn to gaslighting us on affordability and the economy, because all of the facts and figures seem important if you're not someone who shops for yourself, minds your own children, or has to actually manage your own bills.
No, I hate it because, under Biden, it became a thing that the billionaires weren't satisfied with housing, education, health care, and child care becoming cost-prohibitive. Now, food is too, and the Biden/Harris campaign just ignored it.
But since you mention DoorDash, I will admit to being a little angry that my eighty year-old parents have to work for DoorDash or face the reality of homelessness in America. Bummer that I can't have a president who cares about people being able to afford groceries no matter who I vote for.
No, the Biden economy was the best for low-skilled workers that you can remember unless you can remember FDR.
You're smart enough to understand how the billionaire controlled media manipulates the public on police violence and Israel, but not smart enough to figure out that they were doing the same thing for Biden's economy.
Why? Because shitting on Democrats confirms your biases so you turned your brain off.
There was a global inflation crisis. None of the rising costs had anything to do with anything Biden did. In fact, Biden managed the crisis better than any other leader in the world.
Biden wasn't perfect, especially when it came to Israel he was total shit, but he was the most pro-worker President of our lives and the Billionaires, small town business owners, and Media hated him for that and relentlessly hammered into people's heads that the economy was bad. Now we're actually living through a bad economy and there's hardly a peep out of anyone about it.
How's that trying something else going for ya?
Don't call them non voters. They made a choice and their vote is being counted by the analysts. They're neutral voters.
At the Democrat strategy meetings where they run the numbers and decide on the party platform, these people are considered part of the "apolitical" demographic. The Democrats are stupid and will move the party platform rightwards to try and appeal to them. Principles don't fix stupid.
To be fair, I live in a country where you can vote for a 3rd or 4th or 5th party and your vote still counts, because that's how democracy should work.
In the US, I would probably be considered one of my 'non-voters'.
In the US you would be considered a nuisance by the politicians of both established parties for feebly trying to disrupt their plan to usher in fascism under the guise of free choice. We're not going to be able to work the sides against each other, because that's like trying to call out from the audience of a play to try to influence how the story ends. Their actions are designed to influence us, not the other way around. The only way voting helps in the US is to buy time to coordinate the revolution while Democrats are still playing the role of the idiot.
"Maybe we can do a bit more genocide to find a middle ground between those who want to kill latinos and those who dont"
Like I said, they're stupid.
Like I said, principles don't fix stupid. If you don't vote, they'll just act stupider.
if you voted for them you voted for genociders. You're an utter piece of shit.
The two party system will prevail as long as you keep voting for the same two parties. It aint rocket science
Ah yes if you don't vote for genociders you're a genocider. Water is dry and war is peace.
I hope your mum gets liquified by iran
Fuck the democrats. We still have to vote for whatever the other option is here. There are Christi-fascists in power right now. I would fucking love to get excited about a candidate that has an actual plan to materially improve the lives of the working class. But we are not in that position right now. We are fucked, so let’s get literally any non-fascist in to the Presidency. From there we have to find someone who will take us leftward.
Abstaining is a selfish position.
There is a path we have to follow to get where we need to be. Israel should be made to pay dearly for what they have done and continue to do. The entire government as well as anyone who has served in the IOF should be at The Hague.
Grow the hell up.
This is what you sound like
Yes at least the "non fascist" will only bomb foreigners and who cares about them am i right
The fuck are you on? There is no possible way to elect/install a leader that will end all of the military campaigns throughout the world. So rather than abstaining, which is stupid, we have to work with what we’ve got right now.
What’s your next edgy retort?
If they know you will vote for them , there is zero reason why they would listen to you. Not a rocket science
What youve got is a system that needs to be destroyed
He doesn't need to end ALL military campaigns throughout the world.
Just america's
I should have been more explicit. Ending all of the US military campaigns throughout the world. Next?
yea americans bombing brown people is UNAVOIDABLE! There is no alternative. Kinda like the genocide in gaza, it's nobody's fault, just a fact of life.
Yeah! If you're being fucked by the political class, you take the penis out first, and then you sock em in the jaw.
The opposite
Voting for them certainly hasn't fixed them so far. Maybe they just can't be fixed?
That's no reason for you to vote centrist and make them even worse. Use your vote to stop things getting worse, use your hands for direct action to make things better. You can't make things better while they're getting worse.
The lesser of the evil BS is the reason why there is so much non voters. If they decide to vote there is no guarentee that they will not vote for facists. When people vote for third party they still get shames
Yes you can; in fact that's usually what happens. That aside, no reason not to vote Democrat, but it's simply not a viable way of holding back fascism. Also, lesser evil politics can and does directly contradict with direct action (see: Gaza protests during Biden's term), so "let's just do both" is only remotely viable when the Democrats aren't in power. When they are, you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We've seen this movie before.
Except we already know that doesn't happen. Again, we've seen this movie before. As soon as you start making credible threats (see: Uncommitted)—or even if you don't, see: 2024 Gaza protests—you're treated as The Enemy trying to let the fascists win, and there's no way to effect change without making credible threats towards people in power.
Lesser evil doesn't exist, that's bs liberals tell themselves to distract from the fact they chose evil
Being unable to perceive a spectrum is a special kind of stupid. There are many degrees of bad, and many degrees of good.
There are!
The democrats are bad
Go vote in a primary
So they rig it for the 4th time in a row?
Gaza/Palestine would still be screwed, but would a Harris-Walz administration threaten Canada, attack Venezuela and capture Maduro, engage in piracy and extrajudicial killing in the Caribbean, attack Iran and cause the Hormuz Strait to close, put a tax (tariff) on virtually everything Americans buy? Would they encourage universities to arrest students for not being Israel cucks, would they make regulatory mergers contingent on fealty to them? Would they cancel land leases and try to cancel partially built offshore wind farms, and dump taxpayer money on companies to burn coal unnecessarily and to build oil and gas infrastructure? Would they continue the massive wealth transfer enabled by Republicans' 2017 tax cuts or allow them to expire? Would immigration forces be used to kidnap random people on the street, and as a President Harris' personal goon squad? Would they elect to blow up the relationship with virtually every allied country, such that they become hesitant when they actually need help?
This is just what I can think of off the top of my head. Not all evils are created equal. Trump, MAGA and Republicans are special breeds.
They already were in California and NYC
Your vote has never made an impact on policy. Most nonvoters have realized this, their material conditions are unchanged regardless which shade of fascism is running government.
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She just supported over funding ice, funding a genocide than denying one was going on. Supported 'the strongest, most lethal fighting force in the world.'
She was first term trump in blackface.
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And no material conditions didnt improve under biden. We saw the highest jump in homeless ever recorded. Auto repo s through the roof, credit card debt skyrocketed, 72% lived paycheck to paycheck.
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