MAYBE if they Fired MORE Workers and RAISE Prices of their Cars all those Unemployed People can Purchase their Vehicles? Have they tried THAT yet?
Stellantis will remember this.
He has been thinking about replacing his 2020 Ford F-150 pickup truck
Just... wtf.... Your car is only 6 years old and it's just so old that you really think to need to replace it? And your story is so relatable it lands in an article? How much difference can you even see between that 2020 and a 2026 model really?
I suspect it's media lying again, in order to normalize replacing vehicles more often.
He needs more surveillance in his truck.
If they are a frequent driver, they could be putting 20k-25k a year on their truck. Like yeah I wouldn't want a Ford with 120k miles on it either.
I mean, it's a Ford tho.
Surprisingly, a majority of Fords made in the 90's are still on the road today!
...It's simply not worth the expense to haul them away. XD
Jk
How much difference can you even see between that 2020 and a 2026 model really?
I wonder if it was manufactured in that weird sweet (bitter?) spot where "supply chain issues" made everyone use cheaper parts and forego many chip-based components entirely.
So they’re responding by making more affordable, efficient vehicles, right? Adopting new technology, right? Right?
Seriously, all they have to do is make an EV or hybrid under $20k and not try to push subscription BS.
No. Buy a ferd f150000 to stomp your neighbors and make liberals cry! Go on TOUGH mountain trails with 18 row seating and 13000 lbs of Karen fuelled road rage!
*note can only carry 1 person 99% of the time. Cannot touch a non asphalt road or warranty void. Must kill at least 3 cyclists/children monthly due to 0 visibility.
“We build cars that are too expensive for most people to buy and we need that profit! What could we do?”
Life in general has been unaffordable for awhile now.
Corporations pay stagnant wages, raise prices, funnel money out of the economy to shareholders who hoard wealth, and then get worried when there's no one left who can buy their products?
Tell me again why we think C-Suite folks are smart?
Right, because they'll get bailed out again and stay rich. That's why.
It's a god damn disgrace.
I'm sure someone will come around and tell me how complicated economics is and why we should trust business and industry leaders who went to school for this sort of thing, like basic pattern recognition and common sense couldn't have predicted that people who can barely afford groceries would stop buying cars...
Fuck.
Literally the same day this article was published, Hyundai decided to cancel their electric sedan in favor of an SUV-only lineup.
Any cars out there under 30k that are completely manual and don't have a screen, that I can repair myself? No? Well, I'll never buy a new car then, fuck you automakers.
We had millions of those types of cars 20 years ago, now they're nonexistent.
I'll even get an electric if its completely analog. But they refuse to do that even though it takes very very little effort. An electric car is (mostly) a voltage regulator a motor and a battery. Its not hard people.
don't have a screen
Its not legal to make that car anymore in Canada/USA and likely other places. They are mandated to have a backup camera all over the place.
There used to be a car like that, could get a manual and you could fix it yourself - on the rare occasion it needs work.
It was the 2014-2024 Mitsubishi Mirage, and the entire US made fun of it. That's what happens when someone makes a cheap, dependable, simple car in the US, people act like it's the worst vehicle ever made because you can see exposed screw heads when you open the door.
The things you seem to think are making cars more expensive, are actually the cost-cutting measures.
The screen is cheaper than a myriad of buttons. Which is literally why Ferrari hired Apple's Jony Ive to design their upcoming EV's interior... with physical controls (it'll still have a screen, but the important features have buttons and knobs and shit and they'll be made of metal and/or glass). To stand out from the crowd, as even premium manufacturers are using cheapo touchscreens instead of making proper interiors anymore.
As for "completely manual", if you mean manual transmission, those are gone because of low demand and the fact that it just costs more to support multiple options. Plus modern autos can actually be incredible. If you actually listen to the transmission manufacturer NOT the car manufacturer for maintenance schedules, they last longer than the clutch tends to do on most manuals and while a clutch job is easier than an auto trans rebuild, it's still not easy. Either one is going to total a 20 year old car for most people (not you or me if we work on our own cars, of course). Oh and automatic transmissions are now more fuel efficient than mediocre drivers with manual transmissions (not necessarily as fuel efficient as great drivers with manual transmissions though).
Anyway, screens themselves aren't bad. The best car I ever owned was (admittedly not under 30k new, but under 30k when I got it used) a 2019 Mercedes C-Class which had a nice screen with Apple Carplay and Android Auto support, but NO touch. There were physical buttons for everything you'd generally want, and you could control the screen with either the rotary knob, the touchpad in front of the armrest, or the steering wheel buttons. But you literally could NOT finger the screen itself to do anything. They changed that with the next generation a few years later, unfortunately. But for me this was perfect because I had a way to control navigation and the music on my phone that did not involve looking at my phone, or interacting with a touch screen.
In fact I don't think any of these features are what makes cars more expensive compared to 20-30 years ago. Screens are cheap now. Automatic everything has been figured out already, the R&D costs for most things already recuperated. It's the size creep if anything. They'll sell exclusively crossovers and SUVs because these are "premium" and margins are better. And even "small" cars, if they still exist, are bigger than the same model used to be. Oh and let's not forget that if you're in the US, everything needs to have like 500 horsepower now, while emissions and fuel efficiency goals dictate smaller engines, so everything HAS to have a turbo now.
In Europe, cheap cars still exist, though they've doubled in price over the last 2 decades (but what hasn't). You CAN still get a Dacia Sandero for 15k. It's so bare bones that to inflate the list of installed equipment, they list things like "fuel tank cap" and "front seat belts" among others. Even that comes with a 10" touch screen as standard because it's just so cheap to add one and it's much easier for them to design than a classic head unit with buttons.
A friend of mine's first assignment as a senior engineer was to find ways to eliminate more moving parts and metal fasteners from cheaper spec products, because removing a dozen two cent screws would save the company tens of millions over the life of the design. Not just in parts, but because they're more complicated and take longer to install than just snapping and glueing a plastic shell together.
With the scale of manufacturing at companies like GM and Ford, saving a few thousand per car on parts and labor with a touchscreen infotainment system is a massive, massive amount of money. The R&D costs of converting from knobs to touchscreens would probably be covered in the first few months.
It's all those blasted safety features! In my day we died every weekend, and we turned out fine!
There is a paradox with safety features that is really interesting: the safer you make roads, the more aggressive people drive. Better breaks led to people tailgating more aggressively. Better crumble zones has led to bigger and heavier cars. It's almost like there is a threshold of risk that people naturally gravitate to and that maybe the best way to improve traffic safety is through education
A professor at my university wrote a book called Navigating Environmental Attitudes, and he titled a chapter, "Educating the Public... and Other Disasters". TL; DR: It doesn't work.
That's why I advocate for a big, metal spike on the steering wheel, pointed at the driver's chest. (Okay, or designing the roads so that they feel unsafe, so drivers naturally slow down and pay attention.)
I remember reading a study about speeding in neighborhoods. It's not unusual to have people driving 50+ in a 25 MPH neighborhood.
Speed bumps actually caused people to drive faster between the bumps.
What worked was more curves and narrow roads. Essentially making it more dangerous.
So you're not wrong.
Not just that it's unaffordable but I'm not paying 60k for a car with a porcelain transmission that needs monthly software updates that might just brick the thing.
"Porcelain transmission" sent me.
Don't forget the oil pumps driven by rubber belts that need half the engine disassembled to replace it.
This! When I was 16 I bought a P.O.S. Buick for 600 bucks. I did all the normal maintenance myself in my driveway. Oil, pads, filters, belts.... Seems like you need a special tool for each part on new cars if you can even get to the part to replace without taking half the engine out.
Even the fuckin battery was bolted down with a long bracket that needed a special 18 inch socket extension to unfasten. Wtf
Wait till you hear about the BMW proprietary screws
The auto industry is concerned about a problem of their own making? Shocking.
Nobody asked for a 100k pickup truck. Who wants to throw boards and chains in that?
It's OK, we'll just rent vehicles per journey, and in order to make things more efficient, put extra seats in and run bigger cars between popular destinations. Maybe even use rails for really popular places.
Maybe they'll think of a name for this in the future.
Americans cars just suck and always sucked but now they suck at 60k usd instead of 30k usd.
If I'm buying a car it would be a BYD, not some gas guzzler by an overpriced American manufacturer which are laughing stocks all over the world.
maybe stop making everything an apartment on wheels with ipads everywhere. 🤷
they are too stupid to realize that sucking money out of poor people is like crude oil. It will run out.
Maybe don't produce only giant tanks that cost 60+k assholes.
No lie, if I could afford a car right now, I’d want a cheap electric. Beyond that, I’d LOVE to EV convert my dad’s old truck.
Gosh, if only Ford made kei trucks and sedans at a reasonable cost.
Instead, a lifted crew cab pickup with a 4 foot bed has become the new soccer mom van.
Two problems, US income distribution is pathetic and shareholder power.
Then maybe the auto industry should stop donating to Republicans.
The numbers don't lie. Republicans are bad for our economy. Bad economy means people don't buy the 1st or 2nd most expensive thing they'll ever buy (since many will never be homeowners).
Of course the auto industry would be worried that they're seeing the effects of a problem they caused.... /sarcasm
My 2014 Hyundai Sonata is about ready to bite the big one. I will not be getting another car for a while. The nearest bus stop to my apartment is just under a mile away, and my knees are shite. I'm looking at getting a motorized scooter to jet me up the sidewalkless stretch of road I live on to the bus stop, then commute in to work. I work for the city, so I have a free bus pass.
It's gonna suck for a while, but I don't have any better options.
I’ve been driving the same car for over 20 years and it was old before I bought it. If I ever replace it, it will be for something that doesn’t cost money to operate. I’m hoping Aptera pulls a win and changes the game for everyone.
Weird. Something in the US is becoming unaffordable. That’s wild.
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