cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/55430533
I mean, it's not really bestiality if it isn't sexual. A gynocological exam also isn't fingering.
A gynaecologist "treats" the patient, benefitting the patient.
Forcibly impregnating someone is also called rape.
Artificial insemination is a treatment.
If the recipient asked for it and the donor is giving it out of free will with the explicit intention then yes it is a medical treatment.
With humans yes, but in the case of non-human animals these decisions are up to the owner.
edit: clarification for the ultra-dense.
Not a vegan but if you think what happens to cows is a medical "treatment" then you are a dumbass
it is not a needed treatment for the health and well being of the cow, it is a unecessary treatment forced upon the animal
Forcibly impregnating someone is also called rape.
someone
Key word.
Pretty fucked up to try to equate animal husbandry with rape.
If you believe that animals should have rights like humans do, then animals can be raped. If slavery was still legal, would you write "it's pretty fucked up to equate slave husbandry with rape"? Just because we have historically done something, that doesn't mean that what we're doing is in any way moral.
Animals can have rights and be protected from unnecessary cruelty without anthropomophizing them and granting full human rights. You're equating full, sapient humans with a species specifically bred for a base purpose without higher levels of thought and expression.
I don't even think that statement is anthropocentric hubris. If ultra-advanced aliens showed up tomorrow and started domesticating humans for food or some other purpose, I would have the default expectation of them having the same or similar morals. Maybe we'd get access to decent healthcare and good libraries before we went to the slaughterhouse.
Cows get more rights than trees or crops because they have an ability to express pain and convey emotion. They don't have the same rights as humans because they could never give a passionate argument for suffrage to a jury.
And to be clear: there are plenty of real, tangible reasons to end animal husbandry and make everyone vegan without even touching philosophy.
It is sexual, it sounds like they jack them off to acquire genetic material to impregnate the female livestock with
Trying to be "facts forward" so make of this what you will. Source: I was in FFA in highschool in a beef intense-ish area.
The method of collecting semen I'm most familiar with is when they take a female cow in heat and tie her up, then bring a male bull they want to collect semen from into the same pen. The male will smell the female is in heat, gets erect, and will attempt to mount her.
As the male is trying to mount the female, people in the pen with the cattle will have a large rubbery "sleeve" on a pole (imagine a cow sized condom on a stick) that they will maneuver around the bull's penis as it mounts the cow. He does his thing in the condom thinking he's inside the female (usually less than 30 seconds) dismounts and then the ranchers have their semen for artificial insemination.
I've been out of that area for over a decade now so a new method may have emerged since then, but in my Animal Sciences class, that's how we were taught semen is harvested for most livestock.
Edit: I distinctly recall the "artificial vagina" being on a stick (and laughing about it in class), but best video I can find on the quick: https://youtu.be/-4ma3WeOxbo
Unless they are jacking off themselves at the same time, it's not sexual.
I get what you're saying but it's sexual assault, no?
Is artificial insemination of livestock sexual assault?
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Aka the nudist defense.
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I'm genuinely impressed by the amount of reports I've gotten from this thread. This is top tier shit.
Fruit is perfectly wholesome and natural though. Except they aren't....
Corn is basically a bulge of semen because of how humans have bred it.
Bananas are incapable of reproducing. All bananans you find in the supermarket are clones. If men were to die out, so would the common (cavendish) banana.
Cows are bred for milk production. If it wasn't for men, their milk production would be very different. It's just as natural as a banana.
Cows are just as unnatural as bananas, but the farming of animals is much more cruel, unnecessary, and destructive to the environment
"This is the police! Hands up you FREAK!"
"...im a farmer"
"omg thats so cool, can i bring my kids to watch and maybe they can try?"
Interesting that someone could look at a normal (albeit unpleasant) veterinary procedure and immediately think of beasiality.
99.9999% of people on here have no idea of how farming works
Carnists: "You don't understand, we need to shove our hands up their asses"
Vegans: "Yes, we know, that's what we are concerned with"
There is nothing normal about shoving your entire arm up a cow's asshole in order to slightly increase the chance of your artificial insemination working so you can murder its baby and drink all the milk produced to nurture that baby.
You're sick.
You guys are doing it for the meat and that's weak. I don't need a reason.
If people are willing to mastrubate bulls for money, then just imagine what else they are willing to do to earn a buck.
"Farmers are weird therefore vegans aren't"
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I came across a vidya on the interwebs many hears ago where a monkey grabbed a frog and used it as a fleshlight... Ever since then Ive had a different relationship with the word "unnatural". The truth is that shoving your arm up a cows ass and eating vegan fervantly and being a hater ass bitch are all perfect examples of natural human behaviour.....and im well past thinking theyre not.
It's fucked up how people here only seem to have an issue with the cow getting artificially inseminated. The bulls can't consent either. Just like with humans, people either don't concern themselves with male consent, don't think sexual abuse of men matters nearly as much as when it happens to women. I don't really have an opinion on artificial insemination, I just found it fucked that this misandrist double standard is so strong it even extends to animals.
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