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"Being vegan is unnatural"
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The posters here are the same types of men who used to argue that enslaved human beings weren’t ‘people,’ merely property to do with as they pleased.
Yes, there are savagely callous, rather unintelligent and spiritually devoid humans who claim that cows - and by implication all other non-human beings - are not ‘people,’ but it doesn’t make it true. It just betrays their own barbaric stupidity.
The argument that non-human animals do not possess some vague set of traits that make humans the only species worthy of being classified as ‘people,’ is small-minded and ignorant, and based on outdated, biased and anthropocentric beliefs.
Cows, like all mammals, are beings who share the same kind of social bonds, care and love for family and community that humans share. They live complex emotional lives. They ARE ‘people,’ just as whales (who have been legally recognized as having personhood), dolphins, elephants and primates, are ‘people.’
Unfortunately we live in a society that more readily ascribes personhood to a sociopathic corporation than it does to living, empathetic beings who nurture their young, suffer and grieve, and deserve to live lives of dignity as much as any human does.
https://scitechdaily.com/this-cow-uses-tools-and-its-forcing-scientists-to-rethink-animal-intelligence/
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/opinion/sunday/dogs-are-people-too.html
https://www.earthlawcenter.org/blog-entries/2024/7/whale-personhood-in-polynesia
comparing slaves to animals is exactly what slavers do
We are all animals, and we are comparable
So according to you slaves are animals, neat
worst bad faith argument ive seen in a while, thanks for not trying
That's what they said.
I think it's a bad faith arguement to equate human enslavement to cattle production. Yet here we are
It is though, just because you think being a non-human animal is bad doesn't make you less of an animal.
"Well technically" is not a convincing or relevant arguement. Bugs are animals too. They don't get human rights
Why not?
It is cruel to treat other life cruelly.
In the eyes of slavers, slaves would be seen as animals and treated as such. Meat farmers treat animals poorly, too.
I don't understand the point you are trying to make.
what a coincidence neither do they
yep. you can compare an apple to an orange.
Metacognition. It's just metacognition. Not vague in the slightest. You can argue that it isn't a good criterion, but it's a very clear one.
That criterion fails Karl Popper's principle of scientific falsifiability. Pick some criteria for which you could design an experiment that clearly and persuasively differentiates its presence from its absence.
I don't agree with the use of the word "sociopathic". It's Greek for "socially ill" and has historically been associated with pseudoscientific stereotypes applied with people with antisocial personality disorder. Mental disorders are not bourgeois, they are proletarian. They are associated with hardship and trauma, not privilege.
maybe check out ‘The Sociopath Next Door’ by Dr. Martha Stout, or ‘Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work’ by Paul Babiak and Robert D. Hare for a quick lesson. Unlike sociopathy, it’s possible for ignorance to be temporary.
Why would I read books by authors willing to use ableist slurs? Martha Stout and Paul Babiak sound like terrible people I want to hear nothing from. I'm already sure their opinions on mental disorders are worthless pseudoscientific garbage.