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"Being vegan is unnatural"
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It is sexual, it sounds like they jack them off to acquire genetic material to impregnate the female livestock with
Trying to be "facts forward" so make of this what you will. Source: I was in FFA in highschool in a beef intense-ish area.
The method of collecting semen I'm most familiar with is when they take a female cow in heat and tie her up, then bring a male bull they want to collect semen from into the same pen. The male will smell the female is in heat, gets erect, and will attempt to mount her.
As the male is trying to mount the female, people in the pen with the cattle will have a large rubbery "sleeve" on a pole (imagine a cow sized condom on a stick) that they will maneuver around the bull's penis as it mounts the cow. He does his thing in the condom thinking he's inside the female (usually less than 30 seconds) dismounts and then the ranchers have their semen for artificial insemination.
I've been out of that area for over a decade now so a new method may have emerged since then, but in my Animal Sciences class, that's how we were taught semen is harvested for most livestock.
Edit: I distinctly recall the "artificial vagina" being on a stick (and laughing about it in class), but best video I can find on the quick: https://youtu.be/-4ma3WeOxbo
TBF that one sounds like no lines are crossed
Eh, I feel like the female cow is still getting a raw deal. Less raw than the classic "breed this bull with this cow" arrangement, but still somewhat not good.
You left out the rest, where the calf is seperated from its mother, tortured and killed for veal, while the mother mourns the loss of her child that the milk she produces is actually for, so the milk can be stolen from her for profit.
Found the vegan
Did you know that one of the common methods of turning pigs into pork is to lower them into a chamber filled with carbon dioxide so that the pigs suffocate to death? They scream out in agony while dying. Pigs are as intelligent as dogs, if not moreso.
almost no calves end up as veal at all. the vast majority are brought to full weight before slaughter
there is a new method of eletrical rectal stimulation that stimulates the prostate through the anus, afaik only used on bovines
Ew.
So that is to say, as far as you know, the method I describe above more or less still applies for pigs, sheep, etc?
yes those methods are pretty universal
ew? heh, thats not even the worst stuff, look up how artificial semination is done in goats, it is really bad, efectively a surgery has to be done
Unless they are jacking off themselves at the same time, it's not sexual.
I get what you're saying but it's sexual assault, no?
No.
If I were to artificially inseminate a woman with sperm from a spermbank without her consent, would that be sexual assault?
Unless that women is a literal cow, yes.
right mate, I am sure you can draw any equivalences with bestiality and such yourself, so I won't explicate on them. I just want to say, you don't have to defend the man-made horrors within our comprehension of animal product industries if you don't want to be a vegan. I am not a vegan, because I can't afford to. You can just say "that shit's fucked up".
There is a lot of horrible things in animal agriculture, this one isn't really one of them. I've seen the process with my own eyes ... the cows don't care, they barley notice. I feel more for the people who have to do that professionally.
Even 'Law & Order' series has the understanding broadcasted that raped women can feel sexual pleasure during the rape, does not mean they want the act or consented at any time.
WTF are you even talking about? I've haven't said or implied anything of the like.
There is a lot of horrible things in animal agriculture, this one isn’t really one of them. I’ve seen the process with my own eyes … the cows don’t care, they barley notice. I feel more for the people who have to do that professionally.
I live in a Unincorporated (important to hiding the truth of practices, add rodeo training to all of what we are talking about) & Ag. area (I could never really say it is a community, though before the realization I used to, few care about each other), but I have never seen the practice first hand, no sick pun here.
Just factually be given what the procedure of sticking almost one's entire arm in the cow's body (not for the cows' health is bad enough, but does not stop there) is, even can be understood through Public Media's 'Creatures Great & Small', done a ton there is enough. It is like we cannot avoid the country lifestyle, which supports other Beings abuse like this, since 2000s (even more so accepted, than before).
Ok, but what does this have to do with the law & order comment? Because inseminating a cow isn't sexual assault or rape and I've never implied that the cows feel pleasure from it.
Just that the cows don't really seem to mind it. So I'd question that it even should be considered animal abuse.
See previous post,
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You are the expert on cows expressions & emotions? NO Plus just because we are not looking for their intelligence or maybe, even cannot test for it- which totally disagree, does not mean it does not exist. I would say ask a Indian (not a indigenous person, though their believes in other beings are also important to this discussion), but that leads into religions.
Nope, that's why I'm sure as hell not getting behind a cow or horse and putting my hand up any hole. But apparently the people that do that know their emotions well enough to know they aren't about to get a hoof to the forehead, so these experts do exist.
LOL, come on man,
I live in Rodeo & the animals of rodeo country & I can tell you they are beaten down, so much that they have to be hurt to get in rodeo action, that "people" loves so much. Same is applied to all animals industries, you conditioned under those situations, even if you have never interacted (directly or not) with. Same applies to the "people" around it, like the facts always say, cops-military "people" do not have highest suicidal (SP?) rates in The USA (doubt much different everywhere else that other Beings are treated this way) it is "people" in animals meat processing plants.
Yeah, I don't know anything about rodeo, sounds fucked up. But I've never witness any horse or cow beaten down at any of the local farms around the area where I grew up.
for some people
Don't need to say that
I think it really depends where you live and what your lifestyle demands of you.
Where I live, meat is on sale a lot at supermarkets, lots of frozen food meals have meat in, and people might not have time to shop for ingredients or even to cook all the time - which i presume is the key to making veganism cheaper.
If you want to convicne people veganism is cheaper then you have to unfortunately (for you) "spell it out for them" - e.g give examples of vegan meals against meat meals, tell us where you're shopping.
Almost every person that are not Vegan just do not get this. Even back in the day, it was more costly to be mainstream eating/not all food homemade Vegan, with unhealthy processed foods industries. Plus the side effects (physical-social & Etc.) of horrible health causes are extremely costly.
Others Beings have rights!!!!! If you believe in god(s), then you are in real trouble after death, let alone those that do this.
Only if we say so. We invented the entire "rights" thing in the first place and we're kind of in charge of handing them out.
Nope, just plain old non-existence after death for me.
1st. I understand why you might believe that wrong, based upon second answer. Everything born-living has Rights, simply because of birth-existence, somethings are not technically birthed into this world. It is more of a reflection upon those do not accept that fact.
By the way, the most powerful thing, outside of universal forces, are all our minds & together they even more powerful.
Well, we just have to agree to disagree. I think nothing had any rights before humans invented the concept. And even now, any right that can't or isn't being enforced is pretty much useless and not more valuable than a wish.
Well, considering that humanity would be totally helpless against universal forces, like a super volcano or a gamma ray burst, it suggests that all our minds are pretty weak in the over-all schema of things.
I disagree with you, obviously, but it can never be accepted, because it is worse than any sickness-crimes our species on our species has ever been done. The scale of it is unbelievable & just a sign of species (in general, obviously) sickness. Just the scale, WOW!!!!!
Yes, the way it should be- especially, with potentially spreading ourselves to other worlds/'Global Warming' extinction event first (keep reading), we are in the way/overpopulation-overdensity-caring very little for The Living Earth & The Living Beings (even members of our own species). Correct me if I a wrong, but some Earth bound universal forces are manipulatable by us.
Bacteria have rights? Are you also against antibiotics?
No they don't.
Are they inseminating a cows with non-steers' sperm from a sperm bank without their consent? I do not think so, as a regular practice, but sometimes greater abuse, I would never be surprised.
Is artificial insemination of livestock sexual assault?
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Yes, it is.
It is sexual abuse on Living Beings, let alone sexual.
If non-human animals cannot consent, isn't all sex between any two non-human animals rape?
If that's the case, isn't this preferable to just letting the animals just rape each other indiscriminately?
Non-human animals aren't moral agents and can't be subjected to the same moral outcomes that humans have. The same way we can't say a hurricane has done something immoral.
Non-human animals are moral patients. When moral agents act immorally upon moral patients, the agents are responsible.
That's not why people do it though. It is wrong to make up new justifications for actions after the fact. It exists as an industrial process to get animals pregnant more often than they'd naturally choose to.
And no, not all sex between 2 animals is rape. Animals can consent to sex with other members of their species, animals can't consent to sex with other species because of communication differences (the big one being any animal with a human).
The same way that hunting is more moral than farming, letting animals go at it in a natural way is way better than 1. tricking bulls into ejaculating into tubes and 2. forcibly inseminating cows with that genetic material.
You need to quantify the rate at which animal rape is occuring to justify using this method on the basis of "preventing rape."
Also if you sought to prevent any animal rape, you'd have to seperate them all by sex. As far as I know this doesn't generally happen except for their specific breeding season, and it would be cruel to seperate male and female livestock for their entire existence, just as it's cruel to deny them their natural sexual intercourse. Humans aren't supposed to play God with every facet of an animal's life.
it's a veterinary procedure
Veterinary in the sense that "it's a duty a veterinarian might perform do," but in this context it's done to create more animals for us to harvest food from. Because letting them do it at their own rate wasn't fast enough for this industrialised society's appetite.
It's disingenous to call it a veterinary procedure; we're under no illusions about why this is being done. The cow didn't ask for a bloody sperm donor, lol.