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"Being vegan is unnatural"
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this post was submitted on 23 Feb 2026
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Artificial insemination is a treatment.
If the recipient asked for it and the donor is giving it out of free will with the explicit intention then yes it is a medical treatment.
With humans yes, but in the case of non-human animals these decisions are up to the owner.
edit: clarification for the ultra-dense.
You are aware humans are animals? The differentiation "human" is artificial and made up...
non-human animals ... I didn't think it needed spelling out.
Uh... So the differentiation between 'cow' and 'chicken' is also artificial and made up, as well as the differentiation between 'rock' and 'jetplane.'
What's your point?
You share 25% of your DNA with a tree, is it slavery to own four apple trees?
...and it's medically indicated
Not a vegan but if you think what happens to cows is a medical "treatment" then you are a dumbass
Exactly, this is basically finding excuses to justify these actions. A treatment treats a condition, yet what does this treat - an ego of an person apparently.
it is not a needed treatment for the health and well being of the cow, it is a unecessary treatment forced upon the animal
Right, but we do need more cows in the long run.
a) we don't b) they can happily fuck on their own, it just makes it harder to exploit them for their body fluids. Nobody cares about the calves, they are just needed for the mothers to lactate
We, in fact, do not.
You can find cows that fuck, no need to insert yourself into the reproductive cycle of cows.
are they in my area
Absolute slaver brained person
Nah, just for eating, they don't need to work. We got tractors for that.
That's worse. You understand that this is worse right?
How is doing nothing and getting eaten worse than having to do slave labour and getting eaten?
I suppose if that were the case it wouldn't but it's really not worth the argument tbh. They're both bad enough. Also it's not the case, the cow still has to do slave labour.
They must be working the night shift, because I can see them standing around on the pastures all day.
Milk production is labor. And if you're gonna disagree I would direct you to my wife but I should warn you of her right hook lol. Although she is very tired these days from having to produce all that milk for our baby so maybe you'll get away with it. Also most cows aren't on pastures. You literally can't see most cows.
Damn, I really need to get paid for all the sperm production I've been doing. Apparently I'm being exploited!
Artificial insemination without consent is rape. Natural insemination without consent is rape.
Cows cannot give consent to humans. No animal can. Hell, even if we discovered another human-like species but couldn't have meaningful communication with them, it'd still be rape.
You can get consent from the cows owner. Definitely don't inseminate some else's cow without asking.
Consent from the owner?
And what if chattel slavery still existed? Would you be free to rape a black woman if her "owner" said yes?
No, because owning humans is wrong.
It is rape!
Remember there have been at least one-doctor that did this to women, not in his offices to become pregnant (warning, SP?). A famous case was a doctor that raped/impregnanted (SP?) a lot of women looking to become mothers, with his own sperm. The obvious results/proof came after birth,
Cows are not on the same level as humans
Arguing with vegans is like arguing with antivaxxers, they are positions based on emotions and they have their own version of reality they use to reinforce their believes. They often claim they have studies to back up their claims but the most shallow dive shows them to be bullshit.
It's literally evident as they try to reframe this as rape. Their need to lean on rhetoric shows they have a strong basis for their believes.
What do we call a sexual act with a being that did not consent?
Does it matter if the being is human? And what if the being is a neanderthal?
Or say we find a lady on the street and DNA test her, find out she's technically not human. What would we call sexually acting upon her without her consent?
If defining this action triggers you emotionally this much, that's a reflection of your ability to have level-headed conversations. It's not your interlocutor as much as you'd like to claim.
My criticism here isn’t about any specific group or topic. It’s about this aggravating debate pattern where rhetoric is used to paint the opponent’s argument into a morally charged form rather than addressing the actual claim being made.
That style of engagement is not something that ever leads to meaningful discussions.
A similar dynamic occurs in other highly polarized subjects where participants are more focused on signaling moral positions than resolving the underlying question.
This sort of shit has been going on since at least the times of Artistole who championed logic over emotion.
Neanderthals don't exist anymore so your argumentation already falls apart. And also you're moving the goalpost
A: I'm a giving person. B: What would you do if you had a million dollars in your bank account? A: I don't have a million dollars in my bank so your argumentation falls apart.
Was B unjustified in providing a hypothetical because A doesn't have a million dollars in their account? How else would B understand the reasoning of A in a specific scenario without bringing hypotheticals?
OP posted animals getting fisted without consent. I'm asking what we call a sexual act with a being that did not consent. Can't get more on topic than that.