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[-] RedRibbonArmy@sh.itjust.works 153 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The guy was Mossad/Israeli CIA. His accomplice Maxwell was the daughter of an Israeli spy. He had a map of a fantasy country called "greater Israel" on his wall in his home. He was best friends with former Israeli Prime Minister, Ehud Barak and let him live in one of his apartments. He called people "goyims," which come to find out is an Israeli supremacist term to refer to non-Jewish people. The whole US government is compromised with blackmail by Israel and/or bribed by Israel via AIPAC so that the US funds their wars and attack our own people for speaking out against genocide. Only online media will tell you this while the entire billionaire-owned corporate media covers for Israel.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 40 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The Mossad also managed the wiretapping and camera systems at Epsteins apartment and screened everyone going in and out. https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/israeli-government-surveillance-epstein-apartment-66th-street-ehud-barak

[-] gnutrino@programming.dev 33 points 3 months ago

He called people "goyims," which come to find out is an Israeli supremacist term to refer to non-Jewish people

You need to lay off the conspiracy theories and go touch grass. "Goy" (plural goyim not goyims) is just the Hebrew/Yiddish term for non-jews (gentiles in English), it's not "Israeli supremacist".

[-] innermachine@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago

Right and infidel doesn't carry any negative connotation either?

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[-] prole 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

And "boy" just means a young man. Except when it's used as a racist epithet against black men.

Almost as if context matters.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If you were even remotely honest you'd acknowledge that in yiddish its frequently used to mean someone stupid, not just a nonbeleiver. goyishe kopf means goy head, aka stupid.

Theres a list of them in the wikipedia for goy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goy search for the word "derogatory".

Saying its just means "non jewish" is like saying (pick your supremacist ethnic slur here) simply means "of a certain ethnicity and nothing more" . Its a pure BS propaganda answer. I for one am tired of supremacist propoganda in the world-- its poison and it needs to effing end. People who pursue it need to be put in their place. Enough is enough.

Terms which categorically pit one group against another cause big problems. And people like yourself that deny any problem are also the problem.

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[-] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 months ago

All true. If you know all this, you must know that Israel and Russia have been very close when it suits them to be. It's quite possible that Epstein had connections to lots of Russian powerful people.

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[-] tackleberry@thelemmy.club 9 points 3 months ago

The editors of that article want to spin the story that Jeffrey Epstein is a Russian agent. 😂 maybe the folks on Reddit will believe it. They should post it there first

[-] mattyroses@lemmy.today 4 points 3 months ago

Putin at one point was the US' favored guy, as Yeltsin's heir

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[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 69 points 3 months ago

I kind of doubt this, actually.

I don't think Putin is the type to trust anybody else with his wealth. Not all of it, anyway, or even most of it.

Maybe I'd believe Epstein was a wealth manager for Putin, not the wealth manager. Just one of the many pies Putin has his fingers in.

[-] frischkaesbagett@feddit.org 37 points 3 months ago

Please don't use straw man arguments.

Nowhere in the article it says Epstein was the only one. So you are opposing something that is never said.

The source claimed that Epstein served as a wealth manager for Russian President Vladimir Putin, as well as former Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 37 points 3 months ago

Nowhere in the article it says Epstein was the only one.

You expect me to read articles?!?!? Preposterous!

I'm just going off of the title, where it says:

Jeffrey Epstein Was Vladimir Putin's Wealth Manager

Not 'one of Putin's wealth managers'.

So ... yeah. I blame the poorly worded title. No ragrets.

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

I’m my father’s daughter. I have two sisters who are also my father’s daughters. I am also one of my father’s daughters, but that doesn’t make my first sentence incorrect.

[-] deleted@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

During the Cold War, there was a race between the United States and the Soviet Union, where:

  • There are only two runners
  • The American finishes 1st
  • The Soviet finishes 2nd (last)

The newspapers report it differently:

U.S. newspaper: “American wins race; Soviet finishes last.”

Soviet newspaper: “Soviet athlete finishes second; American is next to last.”

It’s a classic illustration of media framing and propaganda showing how wording can shape perception without technically lying.

[-] nyctre@piefed.social 6 points 3 months ago

Sure. You're right. But there's ways to look at it that makes it misleading anyway. For example if you read the title "Putin's daughter was killed" what will you take from that? That he has multiple daughters or just one?

Plus, your example works because we live in a world where many people have multiple kids. But if you lived in a world where everyone you knew only had one kid, what would you infer from that? Because as far as I know, most people have zero wealth managers and some have one. It's the first time I'm hearing of someone having multiple.

I'm not gonna pretend that your explanation doesn't make sense. And the title is technically correct. But only technically. The fact that op has 34 upvotes shows that many people understood the same thing from the title and that makes it misleading, imo.

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[-] hector@lemmy.today 17 points 3 months ago

This whole article is a plant to try and associate epstein with russia away from Israel.

[-] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Thank you. Exactly. If they can't distract they redirect and/or flood the zone. Whatever works to keep the real systems hidden even as it's all coming out anyway.

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 4 points 3 months ago

He can be associated with both...

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[-] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Pu shares his wealth with a whole bunch of people, who also were given high positions in the government or business by him. Except he knew all those people since the nineties at the latest, and they're long-time friends of his, not some jackass from the US.

[-] hector@lemmy.today 46 points 3 months ago

The establishment is trying to turn this into a russian thing, as that's their go to move. But this was a mossad honeypot, clearly done in conjunction with the CIA, which is a great betrayal of their mission, an executable offense, of treason, or it's facsimile, and carries a death sentence to hear the president talk about it.

The CIA isn't allowed to conduct operations in the country, allowing a foreign intelligence agency to accrue blackmail on politicians, and rich people, and the like, is a great betrayal, I don't know why no one has even dug into this, who was in charge when all of this happened, who authorized this at the CIA? Why are they given a pass?

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago

Who was in charge? This starts back with the OSS and Donald Barr, spanning like more than a half dozen administrations.

[-] redsand@infosec.pub 6 points 3 months ago

This has been going on since the 80s. The Franklin scandal was also CIA and it also went no where.

[-] hector@lemmy.today 4 points 3 months ago

What was the Franklin Scandal?

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[-] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There are some gullible-ass mother fuckers in this thread.

Stop taking the fucking bait.

[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 18 points 3 months ago

I dunno, I’m sure it can be both

[-] hector@lemmy.today 11 points 3 months ago

Israel first. Any russian involvement was after the fact, and done with the blessing of Israel, probably done after Russia started to back the far right across the west, which started at least years before 2016, I remember them giving the National Front of France a loan of 20 or so million, idk if 2014.

But these articles and this talk is all to protect Israel and disassociate from them. Any russian involvement was in effect at the behest of Israel, for their interests, he was an israeli agent through and through.

[-] breakfastmtn@piefed.ca 5 points 3 months ago

Normal Island News is a parody/satire site, not a news source.

[-] gressen@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 months ago

The first and last sentence in the screenshot is satire, everything in between is not.

Comedy can serve the truth as well.

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[-] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 29 points 3 months ago
[-] 0485919158191@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

I’m innocent, I swear. I’m just an index fund guy :(

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[-] noobdoomguy8658@feddit.org 20 points 3 months ago

We're not in the timeline to doubt anything, but Putin strikes me, a Russian living in Russia and closely following the politics at least of my own country, especially from the not-so-safe side, as someone who would not choose someone he can't control and have in his grasp to run anything like this.

Not to mention his paranoia, ego mania and the alleged financial skills that, again, allegedly let him win a lot of trust among the people de-facto making big decisions in Russia before he wriggled into presidency.

I don't doubt that Putin had dedicated financial managers at some point, it's just hard to belive it could've been anyone like Epstein, i.e. someone outside Russia or even Moscow where Putin could blackmail and hurt them or at least first treaten them into obedience, even with the eventual murder somewhere outside Russia (Litvinenko poisioning).

Not that nothing unexpected and hard-to-believe hasn't been surfacing for a while already, though.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

I think it’s a pretty safe bet that Putin has tried to keep as many of his eggs in different baskets as possible. Having Epstein manage a bit of his money would be pretty low risk if he’s got most of it in other ventures.

For all the many public failures Putin has had over the past few years, he’s proved himself frustratingly resilient. He’s like some kind of nuclear powered cockroach.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 months ago

If Putin is no longer the leader of Russia, then having wealth outside of Russia is very useful. That can be because he had to flee or for his family. Obviously it has to be hidden, so the assets are not seized by other countries due to sanctions against Russia. So it has to have a financial manager, so sign necessary paperwork at least. Epstein can be easily blackmailed, making him easy to control. However he is certainly not the only one. Putin has the wealth of Russia, so stacking away some millions is pretty easy.

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[-] Allero@lemmy.today 15 points 3 months ago

There's no citation of the files, though. Did anyone find a confirmation? For all known previously, Epstein attempted to make ties with Russian government officials, including Putin, but it wasn't known that Epstein actually was working for Putin.

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[-] shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 months ago
[-] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 months ago

No it isn't.

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[-] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Pu doesn't need Epstein to ‘hide his money offshore’. There are more than enough knowledgeable people in Russia who'll teach any aspiring businessman to create LLCs that own each other in a circle, while the actual decision-maker is nowhere to be seen. Pu likes his confidants to be close to him, he wouldn't hire some schmuck from the other side of the world for this, especially seeing as he himself was involved in money-hiding since his days in the KGB.

An actual wealth holder for Pu is cellist Sergei Roldugin, his friend since Roldugin's military service in 1977. Roldugin holds positions in multiple state-funded culture-related initiatives that Putin personally oversaw. He's also a businessman, or rather a business owner, somehow having shares in private companies worth dozens of millions of bucks each. He's been shown to own offshore companies that traded shares in state-owned companies and got loans without collateral and with small interest. Lithuanian government confirmed Roldugin's offshore operations — as Lithuanian banks were involved in the transactions — and considers them to be money laundering. Roldugin is named in the Pandora Papers and other journalist investigations, is indirectly a suspect in state investigations in Panama and Switzerland, and is sanctioned since 2022 by the US, EU, and some other countries.

Roldugin is also involved with the Rossiya bank, which is considered the personal ‘wallet’ for Putin's friends, and which bank is separately sanctioned by the US since 2014 and the EU since 2022.

The founder and owner of the largest share in the Rossiya bank is Yury Kovalchuk, who's sanctioned by the US since 2014 for being Putin's personal banker. Well, again, Putin knew him since early nineties, and they founded the Ozero cooperative together with Putin's other friends, who all hold top positions in the government or business.

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[-] tackleberry@thelemmy.club 10 points 3 months ago

At this rate, by 2028, these assholes will tell us Jeffrey Epstein was a Russian KGB agent

[-] mattyroses@lemmy.today 13 points 3 months ago

British press is already there. Anything to pretend it wasn't Israel.

[-] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Why not both? And CIA too.

If Epstein was the manager of Putin's personal fortune, he would have been just another one. I doubt Putin puts all his eggs in one basket.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Epstein seemed like the type to try getting involved in as many people's issues as possible.

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[-] voidsignal@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

My neighbors and I are working on a community garden. REAL communism.

[-] Naevermix@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Lmao yeah sure, anything but Mossad

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One of the many problems with collecting human intelligence is that sources will tell you just about anything true or not. Some of the stories in the Epstein files match this problem. This feels like one of them. Some critical reading is required.

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