Firefly.
Everyone says Firefly is good.
That's cause it is.
Anthing written by J. Michael Straczynski (Babylon 5).
Bojack Horseman
Star Trek: Deep space nine
Kira: From hot headed terrorist to level headed leader
Nog: petty criminal to first of his kind in Starfleet
Yessss! Garak wound up being my favorite character at the end!
Including his lies?
Especially his lies.
especially his homoerotic relations with Julian
Don’t forget O’brien who start as an engineer and become the most important personne in starfleet
I love how in Lower Decks, Garak is married to a Holo-Bashir
Edit: Changed Holi to Holo, though the idea of a Desi Bashier...
Babylon 5 too.
Came to say this.
House. I remember fuckall from the past 40 years of watching tv but that one show is etched in the feels.
I've been rewatching Community recently and it definitely fits the bill. It has incredibly good writing.
But more than that, Community gives me the impression that is has an infinite budget. Not a ridiculously big budget like some shows and movies do... an infinite budget. The difference being that they don't waste a cent. There isn't a single thing on screen that doesn't serve a purpose. No ridiculous effect or expensive crane shot added in just to flaunt their budget. But if an episode's script actually called for a particular shot to be done, they would move heaven and earth to make that happen. That's what it feels like.
In my head I compare it to having unlimited vacation days at work. Case studies have shown that workers take fewer vacation days when they can take as many as they want, compared to when they have a set number per year. So in the analogy, a show with a set ludicrously high budget will use every last cent of it even for pointless frill, whereas a (hypothetical) show with an unlimited budget would only use however much money is necessary to create the show. Somehow, Community became that show. ... It probably has to do with how frequently they actually went way over budget in practice.
I fucking love Community.
Absolutely no comedy series comes close to being as in depth and well thought out as community was. Community is actually art for the ages.
Dan Harmon has said the producer did this magic for him. He would often tell Dan that, no, they were over budget when they weren't, so he could then say yes to the best ideas, actors/cameos, etc.
I'm a huge superfan. My ringtone is Professor Professorson's.
They spent all their money on overdubbing lines.
Andor
Agreed.
There's several examples of >2min speeches that hit super hard: Luthen's "I need all the heros I can get", Karis' "random acts of rebellion", the "one way out" speech, Mon Mothma's final speech.
There's huge character growth and complexity for most of the main characters. Although I guess Syril never had much character growth, but that was kinda the point of his obsessive character. And they really showed how the rebellion grew from basically nothing
- Band of Brothers
- The Wire Seasons 1-4
- Friday Night lights Seasons 1, 3 and 4
- MASH
- Star Trek the Next Generations the latter half of S3 and then seasons 4-6.
- The West Wing Seasons 1-5
- The Pitt
- Task
- Stranger Things
- True Blood (for Characters only) The story writing is a mess at times, but the characters are a masterclass.
- Travelers Seasons 1 and 2
- NYPD Blue
- Game of Thrones Seasons 1-3.
- Get Smart
True Blood
“I’m a fuckin’ fairy?!”
You did see the part where I said characters Only, Right?
Yep.
Can't believe Ted Lasso hasn't been mentioned
Really fun stuff! The Roy Kent actor is in one of my current Favs; Shrinking.
- Mister Roger’s Neighborhood
- Twin Peaks
- Frasier
- Futurama
- The Wire
- NCIS S1 to like S5
- Fringe
- Peaky Blinders
- Orphan Black
- The Good Place
- Severance
- Fringe but only to the two or third season
Resident Alien
That was a good one! Got a little weird at the end, but they wrapped it up well.
Pingu
It is unacceptable that Babylon 5 is not on this list. It was rare, at the time, for shows to have a multi-season story arc with character development planned from the start. JMS got his seasons, though, and used them beautifully. Every single episode, even those that don't contribute to the main storyline advancing, either show a character developing or build the foundations for that development.
Derry Girls
The Leftovers, Maniac, Mr. Robot, anything by Sam Esmail really.
Avatar: The Last Airbender
The 4400
Which one?
Ozarks. The Killing (english version), Shogun
I used to like the English version of The Killing better (and I still think it is amazing). I watched them both not long after they came out. I just went back and watched them both and now I like the Danish version better.
Ill have to give it a go
King of the Hill
I'm gonna go old school on you, remembering some of the pioneers from an age long past.
In 70s comedy, there was MASH (deftly balancing war and humor), Barney Miller (like a gritty urban Sydney Lumet movie, turned into a sitcom) and Taxi (Danny Devito, Christopher Lloyd and Andy Kauffman, WTF?!!).
In early-80s drama, there was Hill Street Blues (once again, like a gritty urban Sydney Lumet movie, turned into a brilliant ensemble cop drama) and St. Elsewhere (another ensemble, a Boston hospital drama with a good splash of magic realism, this is where Denzel Washington got his start!).
Later in the 80s and early 90s, there was yet another groundbreaking ensemble, Northern Exposure (a quirky and sophisticated half-serious drama, with LOTS of magic realism, about a small, remote Alaska town).
Finally, I can't go without mentioning my favorite #1 all-time GOAT series, Mad Men. I've watched the entire thing at least four times, it's like reading and re-reading the proverbial "Great American Novel".
Good stuff. MASH is the best ever TV series. Barney was smart fun. St.Elsewhere was one of my favs. And Belker from HSB was great.
In reverse chronological order:
- The Good Place.
- The Sopranos
- Seinfeld (maybe not the character depth, but the writing)
- Shogun (6-episode miniseries, does that count?)
- The original Bob Newhart show, the one with Suzanne Pleshette.
Sons of Anarchy
Lost (until it sucked)
The Middle
The Office (US)
Animal Kingdom
My Name is Earl
Young Sheldon
Funny thing about Young Sheldon, When I started watching it, I had never watched Big Bang Theory, and honestly, now that I have, I don't even really like it, but Young Sheldon is better than it deserves to be.
Dag - a Norwegian show about a couples councilor that believes people should be alone.
Angelyne....
It has Emmy Rossum playing a Hollywood billboard icon. A loosely 'based on a true story' miniseries. Highly recommended. It's ... Different.
Mr Robot.
Xena: Warrior Princess.
Rifleman.
House of Cards.
Shameless (either one.)
Black Sails.
Into the Badlands.
Halt and Catch Fire.
Vikings.
And heck, here's a few cartoons:
Steven Universe.
Adventure Time.
Infinity Train.
Amphibia.
While I don't think Arcane is perfect, esspecially with the pacing issues, I think the character writting was phenomenal. Silco and Jinx in particular are both extremely empathic, and you feel bad for them and potentially even want them to succeed despite their despicable actions. Ambesa is far too rushed, but she's still a fairly deep and multifaceted character (and benefits a lot from having a book to provide background). Honestly, the characters who are weakest, in my opionion, are the ones with most focus: Vi, Cailyn, and Victor. All three of them feel rushed and lacking in both depth and development.
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