I take issue with the phrasing, he didn’t assemble 216 votes, he managed 8 and Dems provided the rest.
I'm honestly confused about the democratic strategy here. We need a speaker in 42 days to prevent a government shutdown. Wouldn't it have been better to wring concessions out of this dude to shut down the MAGA idiots?
Democrats had wrestled in recent days with whether to help Mr. McCarthy survive, or at least to stay out of the effort to oust him. But in a closed-door meeting on Tuesday morning, Representative Hakeem Jeffries of New York, the minority leader, instructed fellow Democrats not to do so, citing Republicans’ “unwillingness to break from MAGA extremism.” Democrats did not participate in the floor debate.
Considering he already backed out on a deal to keep the government open, I doubt they'd trust him enough to keep his word.
That was actually their argument against keeping him in the seat. He's completely untrustworthy.
Yep, that's why the Dems rightly didn't lift a finger for McCarthy - he welshes on his promises.
And then blamed them for the possible shut down
already backed out on a deal
Ah, I didn't know that.
There's a backup Speaker, Patrick McHenry, who will probably keep the seat warm until the next election.
Democrats have a lot of options here, and they all have some upside. Keep McCarthy on, and they might still be able to work out deals with him (devil-you-know strategy). Let him go, and there's a few other options. Work with a handful of the slightly more sensible Republicans to put someone they can all agree with up there. Or let the GOP fight amongst themselves and take all the blame in the lead up to the next election.
They all have merit. One way it could somewhat backfire is if the GOP tries that insane plan to put in Trump as Speaker. The next steps are to impeach and remove both the President and Vice President, thus putting Trump back into the White House, since the Speaker is next in line. This plan has too many failure modes to actually work, but they might try step one, anyway.
One way it could somewhat backfire is if the GOP tries that insane plan to put in Trump as Speaker. The next steps are to impeach and remove both the President and Vice President, thus putting Trump back into the White House, since the Speaker is next in line.
Jeez that'd be fuckin bananas.
I never even thought that far into their crazy scheme.
Naturally this would fail hard once it got to the Senate vote, but still...
That's OK, they didn't think it through, either. It's something that's been actively circulated at conservative events. The attendees with more than two braincells know it's never going to work, but there's plenty of attendees with only one.
it's such a wild idea. it might just work..
Having both the President and Vice President to have "Speaker Trump" would be a crazier plot than the plot of Swing Vote.
Yeah, no rules that I’m aware of that dictate when the next election for speaker must be held. It would be funny if they just don’t do it, and speaker Pro Tempore just assumes all duties.
I don't think this works because I believe according to House rules, until there's a Speaker (not a pro temp), the only issue the House can take up is the confirmation of a new Speaker.
See Exhibit A: When the House was paralyzed in January when they spent 17 ballots, give or take, to confirm McCarthy.
In that case there was no speaker, now there’s a speaker pro tempore. Current(?) House rules, ch 34 section 2: The Member acting as Speaker pro tempore under this provision may exercise such authorities of the Office of Speaker as may be necessary and appropriate pending the election of a Speaker or Speaker pro tempore.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-HPRACTICE-108/html/GPO-HPRACTICE-108-35.htm
Jeffries says he’s reneged and can’t be trusted to keep his word. I guess the play is to see who most Republicans will vote for that will also make some concessions, but they would have the same problem that they did with McCarthy; there’s no promise that any Speaker could make that couldn’t be reneged on. So, they need a Republican they can trust, which doesn’t leave many options.
they need a Republican they can trust
This is an oxymoron
Wouldn’t it have been better to wring concessions out of this dude to shut down the MAGA idiots?
That was discussed in this thread. tl;dr: he did a public interview where he was still calling Democrats out for some kind of stupid shit. That basically killed any chance of a deal.
Well Kevin McCarthy is a terrible person; his cozying up to Trump and rhetoric about the election makes him responsible along with Trump for January 6th, he's proven himself a lecherous, power-hungry politician whose life's ambition was to become Speaker (supposedly), and he was totally ineffective at reining in Gaetz and the rest, and he was actively trying to stall out talks to cause a government shutdown. For all those reasons, House Democrats would have no incentive to cross the aisle for him here. McCarthy should be thrown out of Congress and prosecuted for Jan 6th; having his life's goal immediately ripped away from him will have to do for now.
The Dems biggest enemy have always been themselves. If they will find a way to fuck themselves, you better believe they'll do it.
You mean Matt Geatz, the guy that was stealing licences of underage girls for sex trafficking and obstruction of justice by calling his 3 girlfriends.
Did Gaetz just fuck Ukraine?
Not a chance; Ukraine declared independence on Aug 24 1991, making it 23 years old.
Nah this doesn't affect any of the ongoing aid packages, just means nothing new announced until a new budget is passed.
No, I don't think so. The house will be busy for a few days, but nothing the house does had immediate effect. Ukraine will get funding within a week of the new speaker being chosen.
Actually, he's one of the young guns.
Interesting. The other two left politics, and the third just got sacked by his own party.
instead we have crazy town
Sorry I'm about to judge appearances, but they look so shleppy.
You're on a book cover, maybe don't Trump your tie Ryan. McCarthy should use his newfound time practicing smiling. Idk the 3rd guy.
This is a book those 3 wrote after the 2010 "Republican revolution" and, presumably they chose the cover for it too.
Ouch.
At least some bloods have the courage to fight for what ever crazy shite they want.
Unlike the crips that were cowards with no backbone when Nancy Pelosi was in the same position.
Force the vote and Medicare for All was a possible vote.
Yeah, it was possible, what good would it have accomplished?
I don't know, what do you see the bloods doing when they use their power to force what they want.
It would have at the minimum started a record of those in office that do not support M4A.
I think it’s hilarious you look at this clown show and like it.
You spam some real shitty YouTube videos all over the place.
You think Hunter Biden is part of a dynasty, do you know what that means?
Sadly not at all surprising based on having a Jimmy dore handle
Spam? Posting stuff you don't like is not spam.
It is a different view feom what ever you stand for.
Biden is a life long politician, his son had influence in Ukraine due to that.
It would have been better to call it the Biden Era?
How many YouTube videos have you posted today?
Not sure, but they are cross posted and are on different topics.
I try to follow the rules, and I like it when I am called out so I can fix if I break any.
I do not get a notice or mesaage to account though, so I am not sure if I see it. Regular comments are hard to follow due to activity on here.
Thank you!
Here’s some definitions for you:
Spamming involves flooding social media platforms with excessive and repetitive messages, links, advertisements, or other types of content that may violate the platform's guidelines or annoy other users.
dynasty 1 : a succession of rulers of the same line of descent 2 : a powerful group or family that maintains its position for a considerable time.
Do you consider one person being in power a ‘powerful group or family’?
So it is not spam, it pertains to subjects and random stuff I watch.
That is when I post.
Yes, you are right on the dynasty part. He is a long term politician with many decades.
I did not think of a better word at the time, but thank you for the info!
You think six posts today, twelve in the last two days and fifty in the last week isn’t spamming?
Not sure.
I post in many places, with cross posts also.
I do not see limits in subs, as long as it pertains to what is allowed.
Either way, people down vote if they don't like it.
If rules are broken mods will remove posts.
I’d say it is.
I’d say even watching fifty YouTube videos in a week is an issue.
Ah, okay.
Thanks for letting me know what you think!
Maybe enough people will tell you and you’ll listen.
Maybe you’ll just keep doing what you’re doing, it’s up to you.
Thanks!
No it wouldn't, they'd know it wouldn't pass and just vote for it or not based of their district.
You have a point.
It would atill serve a purpose though, as what the bloods are doing.
Using the power they have to push for things they want.
Matt Gaetz also stirred shit up when the speaker was being elected, by the way. You did not just make the "both sides bad, Republicans better?" Argument. For fucks sake.
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