1100
submitted 1 year ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

Joe Biden worries that the “extreme” US supreme court, dominated by rightwing justices, cannot be relied upon to uphold the rule of law.

“I worry,” the president told ProPublica in interview published on Sunday. “Because I know that if the other team, the Maga Republicans, win, they don’t want to uphold the rule of law.”

“Maga” is shorthand for “Make America great again”, Donald Trump’s campaign slogan. Trump faces 91 criminal charges and assorted civil threats but nonetheless dominates Republican polling for the nomination to face Biden in a presidential rematch next year.

In four years in the White House, Trump nominated and saw installed three conservative justices, tilting the court 6-3 to the right. That court has delivered significant victories for conservatives, including the removal of the right to abortion and major rulings on gun control, affirmative action and other issues.

The new court term, which starts on Tuesday, could see further such rulings on matters including government environmental and financial regulation.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 264 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A system that appoints supreme constitutional judges for life and without even halfway serious democratic checks and balances seems to me the perfect recipe for disaster and corruption. But hey, I'm from Europe, so what do I know... ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Yes but you fail to consider that some guys wrote on a paper like 250 years ago and we’ve decided that everything needs to be viewed through the lens of either “does this agree with an incredibly pedantic and stilted reading of this document” or “what would those historical dudes think about this” - whichever happens to be more politically expedient for you at the moment, but the second one tends to give you more flexibility.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

everything needs to be viewed through the lens of either “does this agree with an incredibly pedantic and stilted reading of this document” or “what would those historical dudes think about this”

To be fair, they did expect us to modify the constitution from generation to generation.

Ultimately the failure is ours.

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] PreviouslyAmused@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago

One of the more interesting things I saw (on this topic) was a historian stating that George Washington (and his contemporaries) would have been able to relate the world of Julius Cesar more than they would our modern world.

I think about that A LOT whenever I hear some idiot spout nonsense about the "vision and ideals" of the founding fathers

load more comments (5 replies)
[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Yup, I see. A bit like with the Bible and other holy books then. Even here in Europe, there are many who see the wording of those as the ultimate truth. No need to adjust anything, they say. It's all good. It's god's will or whatever - if it helps their agenda, that is. Jesus, that must be frustrating.

load more comments (9 replies)
load more comments (14 replies)
[-] Alteon@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Hey. You can't just use common sense when it comes to our Judicial System. That would be too logical. What next? You gonna ask that our Supreme Court Justices have Ethics Rules!?

What is this world coming to?

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

It's more a symptom of the FPTP voting system

Europe has viable parties outside the two most popular in any given election cycle, so partisan loyalty is less of a threat to the application of removal proceedings or other punitive measures.

load more comments (50 replies)
[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 87 points 1 year ago

Joe Biden worries that the “extreme” US supreme court, dominated by rightwing justices, cannot be relied upon to uphold the rule of law.

If he really worries about that, and is not just scaring people to vote for him, then he has a responsibility to enlarge the court.

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

I'd argue this should have been the immediate response to Mitch McConnell blocking nominees half a term away from an election, but if the court can't uphold the rule of law, it should be fixed (and expansion seems like the obvious solution) or replaced.

The procedural question on this one is whether he could shrink the court to boot say... Thomas, then expand it again to replace him with someone less obviously corrupt. Republicans fail to confirm a replacement? We'll shrink the court a little more. Obviously, this won't happen, but I'm interested to know if it's possible.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Shrinking it (through established legal channels) is impeachment and removal which has a high bar. Enlarging it is just passing a law, which is only hard because the senate has a policy (not a law) to effectively not pass laws without supermajorities. The latter could be done with a simple majority of politicians with a spine.

load more comments (7 replies)
[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

How?

Are you under the assumption Joe Biden is some sort of wizard?

[-] SARGEx117@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

The supreme court is supposed to be based on certain numbers, when those numbers increased the SC could have been increased, but hasn't been.

Basically all it would take is for the president to decide "hey this court is supposed to be bigger, because the rules it wrote for itself say so" and sign a few things and boom. Increased court size.

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

The reasons he was Obama's VP:

  1. He was "the Republican Senator whisper"

  2. He was supposed to be there to guide Obama

He was supposed to be the one that got that SC pick thru, but I don't remember seeing a single article or interview where he tried.

That 5 years later people forgot and started claiming Joe was "the Senate whisper" again was just fucking ridiculous. The only thing worse was when Biden implied once the Dems had a white man as president, suddenly Republicans would be super cool again.

[-] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 95 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 year ago

With hindsight, given the dirty tricks the GOP played in order to secure Trump two Supreme Court appointments; the Dem’s should have just gone full radical and take the Senates refusal to put the nomination up for a vote as a tacit ‘approval’ (seeing as they didn’t technically vote him down), and sit Garland on the court.

It’s the political equivalent of not negotiating with Terrorists, akin to the Paradox of Tolerance.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

It's like playing checkers with a kid who openly cheats...

If you keep following the rules, the kid will always win. If you can't make them stop cheating, your only options are to stop playing or cheat back.

This isn't a game of checkers tho. We can't just stop, and if we keep following the rules then we'll never win.

So literally the only thing we can do is play like they do.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments (56 replies)
[-] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 1 year ago

Then maybe he should have packed the court with some good judges

[-] tacosplease@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago

Would have had to nuke the filibuster to make it where they could pack the court. That required yes votes from all Democratic senators (only because not a single fucking Republican would vote for it), and Manchin and Sinema refused to do it.

Nothing Biden could have done. We needed more Democrats in Senate seats. That's the game though. Republicans do their best to make us feel like voting doesn't matter, then we don't turn up - making it easier for Republicans to say the government doesn't work.

load more comments (8 replies)
[-] stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

It’s just that easy ™️

[-] crawley@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I don't think he's exactly even capable of doing so. SCOTUS judges have to retire or die, and then vacant seats have to get confirmed by the Senate, and no self-respecting Republican Supreme Court justice would die while in office. Expanding the number of justices is also extremely unlikely to happen, and also, relevantly, not really in Joe's hands.

load more comments (11 replies)
[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

I am concerned about the obvious concerning things as well. Y'all should make me your leader.

load more comments (10 replies)
[-] HamsterRage@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 year ago

To me, as a non-American, the most baffling thing is that everyone in the States just assumes, and accepts, that these appointed justices are going to rule according to some political bias.

That's not the way it works in the rest of the free world. Judges are, by definition, trusted to be impartial interpreters of the law/constitution. That's their role.

I live in Canada, and I'm vaguely familiar with some of the names of our Supreme Court justices, but I certainly don't know their political leanings, nor do I care. Nor does any Canadian I know. That's the way it's supposed to be.

So as far as I can see, the problem isn't that SCOTUS is stacked with Republicans, nor that it can be. The problem is that everyone seems to assume that this is the way it should be.

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

No, we don't. Along with Citizens United, EVERY American with a brain and open eyes is aware these are the absolute most important problems, and they lead to endgame checkmate authoritarianism.

load more comments (33 replies)
[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 19 points 1 year ago

First of all, the Overton Window in America is skewed heavily right. So our centrist Democratic leaders are center right, our Republicans are what most countries would call regressive, extremist, authoritarian right wing, or even fascists.

See, the problem is rightwing extremism has been on a campaign since the civil rights era to take control of the country and undo the progress made since the 1960s.

They installed right wing media. They cut education and tampered with curricula. They gerrymandered. They instituted voter suppression. Their strategy culminated in the Federalist Society influencing the selection of Gorsuch and installation of right wing judges during the Trump administration.

The thing you have to know if you ever want to try and stop extremist, authoritarian, right wing regressives is that they do not hold the same ideals and morals as you and I. They do not play from the same playbook or follow the same rulebook.

They believe that "might makes right," that any ends justify the means, that rules are enacted to protect them and their in group and punish their selected out group. They believe in many cases that their cause is justified by God.

And so any justice who adheres to such zealous principles will see no issue with finding a way to rule in the favor of their side. They may even go so far as to rule with weak or minimal justification. They will be a lot less likely to rule in an unbiased fashion.

My current opinion is that, so far, we have only seen rulings that fall into the "finding a way" category.

I think these justices will incrementally push the envelope on what they can get away with over the upcoming decades.

load more comments (5 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

If only you were in a position to do something about it...

[-] girlfreddy@sh.itjust.works 53 points 1 year ago

Honest question here ... what would you have him do?

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

There are a few options available. Pack the court, call for ethics inquiries, draw attention to the unconfirmed justices, or literally anything at all. Go on the attack. Be a leader. Demand justice. Biden is content to shrug and say "Ah, well, you see the GOP controls too much, so only if we have all the power can we make things better."

He's not governing, he's campaigning.

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] tasty4skin@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

He could introduce a plan to reform the courts, but it would ultimately have to go through Congress.

load more comments (43 replies)
[-] flossdaily@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

He's doing one of the only things he can do: using his soapbox to draw attention to the issue.

The only real fix to this would be for Democrats to hold a majority in the house, a fillibuster-proof majority in the Senate (or remove the filibuster with a simple majority), and the presidency.

The last time this was possible was a brief 7-month period from 2009-2010. Prior to that... 1978.

load more comments (8 replies)
[-] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

He's not, unless you want a different coup. It's up to Congress and the Senate. Executive, Legislative, Judicial.

load more comments (4 replies)
[-] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago

Damn, did he just now notice this?

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

At least they're finally starting to get a clue that "They go low, we go high" is bullshit

[-] spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

In these comments: a shit ton of people who have zero idea how their own country works. Y’all are an embarrassment to yourselves and your countrymen.

[-] jeremyparker@programming.dev 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Either help solve the problem by telling people what the fuck you're talking about or don't bother commenting at all

load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 02 Oct 2023
1100 points (100.0% liked)

News

23311 readers
3621 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS