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President Joe Biden is arguing that “there is something dangerous happening in America” as he revives his warnings that Donald Trump and his allies represent an existential threat to the country’s democratic institutions.

There is an extremist movement that does not share the basic beliefs of our democracy. The MAGA movement,” Biden says in excerpts of the speech Thursday in Arizona, released in advance by the White House, referring Trump’s Make America Great Again slogan.

Although voting in the 2024 Republican primary doesn’t begin for months, Biden’s focus reflects Trump’s status as the undisputed frontrunner for his party’s nomination despite facing four indictments, two of them related to his attempts to overturn Biden’s victory in the 2020 election.

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[-] o0joshua0o@lemmy.world 104 points 2 years ago

He's absolutely right. The GOP wants to abandon democracy and install Trump as a dictator. We are on a dangerous precipice.

[-] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago

"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”—David Frum, Republican speech writer under W. Bush

This was not a warning. It was a threat.

[-] BigNote@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago

It was a warning. Frum is and always has been a staunch never-Trumper. He's still a conservative, but he was never on board with Trump and to his credit has been pretty vocal in his opposition.

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[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

*trump or preferably any fascist Federalist society ghoul.

Their plan to end democracy is public even. They're that confident/desperate. Leeja had a good video recently covering it.

[-] mayo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I had not given my brain the space to imagine that Trump would be the choice of dictator. I guess there would never be a 'good' dictator candidate but damn that would be insane.

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[-] flossdaily@lemmy.world 101 points 2 years ago

MAGAts are traitors.

They tried to destroy our democracy and install Trump as dictator. They trampled and beat hundreds of police officers in an attempt get their hands on the vice president in order to lynch him.

Republicans are so lawless and disdainful of our justice system that they aren't even a little bit bothered that Trump was found liable for rape and fraud. They don't care in the slightest that Trump is out on bail for trying to steal the election, and for stealing classified documents.

Republicans are attempting to impeach a newly elected judge for the singular reason that she acknowledged the legally decided fact that Republicans cheated and gerrymandered their state to seize power without the consent of the governed.

Republicans have become echo chambers for Putin's propaganda, openly siding with our enemies over our allies.

Republicans are openly plotting to replace all the NONPARTISAN long-term government employees with violently partisan stooges who don't come anywhere close to meeting the bare minimum requirements for doing these essential jobs.

Make no mistake at all: Republicans are a minority party with no interest anything but seizing power and harming anyone who they decide is an enemy. They can't win over the voters with their perverted ideology, so they are determined to do ANYTHING inside or outside the bounds of the law, or even basic human decency, in order to steal the country from real Americans.

Republicans must be stopped, because if they gain power, they will make sure we never have anything close to a real election again. We will be living under a Christian theocracy, every bit as sick and hateful as the Taliban.

[-] Hairyblue@kbin.social 53 points 2 years ago

Joe Biden is right about this. Republicans don't believe in our democracy and they don't want people who vote against them to be able to vote.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago

Yes! Push this! They're UnAmerican! Let everyone know!

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

They're American. They're the worst of us. But they're American. We can and should be better than them though. But we can't do that by acting like them.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

You can be an American citizen and be UnAmerican. They reject the basic ideals this country was founded upon. That makes them fundamentally UnAmerican.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

I definitely want to agree with you. No question there. But any country that enshrined slavery in their constitution. As we have. Who has fascisticaly toppled foreign governments for wealthy business interests. As we have. Who participated in genocide of native peoples up till at least the 1970s that we know of. As we have. Definitely matches their desires and behaviors quite well.

Not enough to make me question that those of us that want better might be the unamerican ones. But enough to recognize our failings as a country. And the difficult road ahead to be who we want to be, us. Vs who we've historically been, them.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

They might technically be citizens but they are unpatriotic fifth columnists. And that's being nice. It might be more correct to call them domestic terrorists: many of them openly moon over the idea of an actual shooting civil war and/or a government that will let them kill Americans that disagree with them and/or are the wrong color/ethnicity/religion, etc.

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

"Makes democracy a touchstone"

Wow man... It's become this bad.

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[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 26 points 2 years ago

Extremism is born out of fear and desperation. And the number one driver of that is financial insecurity. I really wish he would say he was doing something about these fundamental issues: a liveable minimum wage, housing issues, education, and health care. He's not wrong about these asshole insurrectionist Republicans, but pointing out that their thinking is anti-American and backwards doesn't really get to the root of the issues.

[-] Heresy_generator@kbin.social 62 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Oh my god; someone still selling the ridiculous narrative that these white supremacist fascists are being white supremacist fascists because of "economic anxiety"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/24/us/politics/trump-economic-anxiety.html

What they fear is losing the privileged status of white supremacy in America; what they're desperate to stop is a more equal society. They didn't march demanding more pay, better working conditions, or more upward mobility in Charlottesville, they marched chanting "Jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil." They've been telling us, loudly, for years what it's all really about and people still want to believe it's about economics as if there weren't dozens of very well-off people arrested for trying to attack Congress on January 6th.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 years ago

. They didn’t march demanding more pay, better working conditions, or more upward mobility in Charlottesville, they marched chanting “Jews will not replace us” and “blood and soil.”

Yeah, because they're fucking stupid and they don't know why they have poor pay, poor working conditions, and no upward mobility. They literally believe it's a conspiracy by Them to keep the white man down. They're dummies.

But that doesn't actually mean economic factors aren't the primary motivator. There's still an underlying, material problem.

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[-] Bipta@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago

It's undeniable that more economic opportunity would shrink their pool of possible supporters, even if it would never eliminate that pool. We don't have to stop every from being a white supremacist; we just need to stop them from coming up with the power to topple our government.

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[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago

"Extremism" Not just the fascists. If you can't see the correlation between the shrinking middle class over the past 4-5 decades and the growth of extremism, I'm not sure what to say to that. These morons are anxious, and a lot of that is economic, and historically it doesn't take much to point angry morons at the wrong target. Just define an "other" (Jews, Immigrants, LGBTQ) for them to focus on and they'll run with it. I'm not excusing these assholes at all. But fighting the symptoms and not the disease is not a smart way to go about making change.

Also, for what its' worth, I wanted to look at the article you posted, but I can't get past the paywall.

[-] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

Nothing will ever be done.

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[-] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 22 points 2 years ago

Well the spineless Republican candidates jockying for the vice presidency aren't going to say it.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think it's important to note that Trump's "extremist movement" is the mainstream GOP.

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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think this guy sucks, but he's not wrong here. I'll vote for him again because as shitty as he is, he's not going to completely destroy our country and/or destabilize the entire world.

If Trump is elected, that guy is going to hand Ukraine to Putin, and sever ties between the US and the majority of our allies in Europe.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

Celebrate democracy!

By getting to choose between two octogenarians no one really wants...

[-] AnonTwo@kbin.social 26 points 2 years ago

You should be voting safe when things are unstable.

Worry about it when we don't have people trying to elect literal traitors who tried to overthrow the government.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

You should be voting safe when things are unstable.

Sounds like a perverse incentive to keep things unstable.

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[-] clutch@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago

.... about fucking time?

But all politicians are equally at fault for not leglislating to ensure workers have livable salaries and encouraging the "outsourcing" thing that moved jobs overseas so people could buy cheaper Walmart stuff.

[-] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago

Let's go Joe! Hope my fellow Zoomers go out and vote.

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 10 points 2 years ago

The story of Joe Biden and his incredible perseverance, through hurdles and tragedies, is tremendously relatable to the common citizen. This man dusts himself off and charges headlong back into the fray after every setback. Lesser men would crumble, if faced with his challenges.

[-] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago

can we not have a lost nursing home patient run the country again please

[-] utopianfiat@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

Can we not have ableist shitheads claiming that a man who has had a stutter all his life is neurologically unsound because they're mad their guy didn't win the last election

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[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Um, what? You think Biden is a "lost nursing home patient"?

Personally, I've been loving the return to some semblance of stewardship after the dumpster fire that was donnie's maladminstration. Even if Biden could not complete his second term for some reason, so what? There is a line of succession.

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

But will he do anything to stop their extremism or reduce their numbers?

spoilerNo.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

What exactly do you expect him to do?

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