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[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago

Clearly their adoption of rushing out AI generated code is working well.

[-] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

Everytime my windows work computer updates, something breaks. Now my mouse doesn't work well and I'm so tired of dealing with it. IT has had enough of these stupid tickets for why something doesn't work and why we need admin permissions to fix it.

[-] melfie@lemy.lol 59 points 1 day ago

I hate Windows as much as the next person, but the title is clickbait. It’s an update bug that affects a small number of users, but the title misleadingly suggests Microsoft deliberately removed this functionality.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

It is pretty bad. It's specifically Enterprise that is effected, and if they're pushing these kinds of bugs on Enterprise customers then they really don't have the QA they need. Think about how much they care about what they push on standard customers.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago

It's genuinely bad, even if entire universe isn't affected. Shows sloppiness. Headline is too kind for implying this could be "some kind of design upgrade", instead of FUBAR.

[-] AppleMist@feddit.uk 40 points 1 day ago

The article title is clickbaity. It doesn't 'get rid of' the start menu and explorer. It just makes the processes completely hang so you can't open any applications, can't open the menu and can't open task manager to see wtf is going on. You also can't access the shutdown function so you have to manually power off.

This happened to me as I was setting up a Windows 11 / Linux dual boot system yesterday, and the Windows side was behaving as described in the article.

I gave up and just installed Linux alone in the end.

[-] LumiNocta@lemmy.zip 5 points 22 hours ago

This is the way.

[-] dotned@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

The right click context menu for me has been unusable in certain circumstances for me for the past year or so. It's happened on multiple devices, including corporate issued dell and Lenovo machines. The menu options just stop responding to clicking. After getting fed up with this and all the other crap I didn't ask for, I finally just ripped the bandaid off, ditched dual booting, am now on full single boot Linux mint.

And, it's so fucking refreshing. I finally feel like the machines I built and own are mine again.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Task Manager is launched by the listener in winlogon if you use the Ctrl + Shift + Esc method though, right? I'm pretty sure you can still launch Task Manager, and from there attempt to relauch Explorer, even if Explorer is borked or not running. You'd just have to know how to do that and that you can.

That's what I always do when Explorer's ears inexplicably catch fire and I'm either too lazy or too naively hopeful to reboot.

For anyone following along at home, Windows Explorer is also responsible for displaying the start menu/taskbar. In the example in the article there's something else funky going on inside Explorer, though, because the taskbar and even the desktop icons are all there, it's just not rendering correctly. (Explorer is also responsible for showing all of your desktop icons.)

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 70 points 1 day ago

oh it was a bug, i thought they did it on purpose to force people to use their stupid ai crap.

[-] tekdeb@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

Even Microsoft (probably) isn't that stupid or desperate yet. What seems much more likely to me is that they will keep introducing AI features and more invasive ads gradually and making them opt-in or removable with the intention of making them mandatory later on.

I 100% believe that Microsoft fully understands that a lot of people aren't happy with most of these changes, but profit must grow and they are elbow-deep in their AI gamble so they must keep pushing just slowly enough to avoid most users and businesses feeling like looking for alternatives is worth the effort. They are treading a fine line and are sometimes pushing too hard, but that in itself can be a solid negotiation tactic to manipulate people into accepting bad deals and my guess is that it's fully intentional.

[-] hodgepodgin@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago

I can feel the UI lag in the picture

[-] BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com 8 points 1 day ago

It's a ploy from Microsoft to push Copilot: you have to ask it to open the programs or folders you want. /s

[-] yggstyle@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Technicians are baffled how, even with an astounding 90% hallucination rate, this still was more reliable than windows search.

[-] kubofhromoslav@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

It could get rid of whole system and world would be a nicer place 😎

[-] SnotFlickerman 45 points 2 days ago

Jesus fucking Christ... Is Microsoft literally vibe-coding everything now? Do these updates not go through any rigorous testing at all before being released into the wild?

The only solution is to re-image?? This is just flat out fucking awful.

Sorry to all those people who went for the LTSC versions of Windows. How the living fuck does this kind of stuff happen.

[-] darkevilmac@lemmy.zip 26 points 2 days ago

It's less the vibe coding and more: this is what happens when you have the developers do all the QA and fire the actual QA staff.

They've been screwing up the Windows updates since Windows 10, vibe coding wasn't a thing at that point.

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[-] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

It's a combination of vibe coding and absolutely no QA testing, because they fired a fuck ton of QA people 10 years ago. Microsoft is making it's users beta test their fucking software through telemetry bug reporting. And we fucking pay for that privilege.

[-] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

In a way they are. Their QA was sent overseas and at some point was cut down to basically skeleton crew.

Every engineer at MSFT was recently ordered to use AI.

The bulk of where MSFT makes money is not from its OS but from selling your data and being a cloud provider. They don't really care about the user experience anymore and that has very clearly shown to be their lowest priority for a few years on now.

[-] Aedis@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

A lot of what the other comments have said is right, but also add that to on top of all the layoffs theyve had and they keep telling their devs to double their efforts. Its been in so many meetings that at this point a single engineer should be able to do the work of the whole company...

the shareholders keep demanding doubling pace from their engineers but they just wont listen smh

They should just fire all the engineers already theyre clearly slacking off /s

[-] criss_cross@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Add on top of it that they’re forcing engineers to use AI to try and magically bridge this gap and you get a lot of slop like this.

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[-] Pringles@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 day ago

We're running the oldest supported Windows version in our enterprise just to make sure these non-stop stream of Microsoft fuck-ups doesn't affect us too much.

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[-] cyberwitch@reddthat.com 3 points 1 day ago

Classic Shell could have a comeback

[-] Daerun@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

At this point Win 11 has waaaaay surpassed Vista as the worst windows ever.

[-] alehel@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

Surely ME was worse than Vista?

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[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 20 points 2 days ago

Okay, wow. I've garnered plenty of downvotes on the Fediverse by not auto-hating many of Microsoft's new features and updates, I'm sure I've been labelled a "Microsoft shill" or somesuch in some folks' user notes. But this is just ridiculous.

The single most important rule Microsoft should have is "thou shalt not brick thy customers' computers with a routine update." Sure, it's not the most common set of triggering conditions in the world, but the problem is immediate and obvious upon booting up. How do they not have a test plan that would catch this?

[-] TriangleSpecialist@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Because the rigour and quality of work that is needed to do good software to get to market is insanely higher than the one required for keeping the money machine alive once you are a monopoly. So as you hire more and more to get your hands in as many pies as possible, have fewer and fewer experienced staff to train the new hires, and do questionable hires in leadership positions, the culture invariably shifts to doing less and less effort, or putting effort in the wrong place, and there you have it.

Now in Microsoft's case, the quality was never that high to begin with (but the scummy practices made up for that), and the pockets are deep aplenty, so I think we are in for quite the shitshow (it can, and it will, get even worse).

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

I'm convinced at this point they're letting the vibe coders write the OS updates. It's the only reasonable explanation for how they keep breaking core OS functionality that shouldn't even be getting updates.

[-] TriangleSpecialist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I was going to try and defend them by saying that given the number of recent layoffs, and the push from the higher-ups, they're not necessarily vibe coders by choice.

But then I remembered, I don't give a shit about a company where devs think that rendering characters to a terminal emulator is a PhD-level problem, and that it's a good idea to use react native in your start menu, to only name two.

[-] msage@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago

They are forcing AI on everyone in Microsoft.

There was an article about it, managers force to use AI to parse workers self reports produced by AI to make sure everyone and everything uses AI.

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[-] SnoringEarthworm@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago

At the moment the only fix is likely a reimage, unless you can get to the registry to make some edits or deploy a Powershell script to delay the launch of Explorer.exe until the system is ready for it.

How has Satya Nadella not been fired for this dumpster fire of a rollout?

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

Because all of them have AI shares.

[-] cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

Because line go up

[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Because everyone left at the company is as bad as he is or worse?

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

probably saved some cash there from replacing human coders with an llm, by the looks of it.

[-] Onsotumenh@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

*checks that it's not an onion article* Oh..
I think it is time to revive: "It's not a bug, it's a feature!"
Glad I decided to never touch 11. Seems almost customary to skip every second Windows version by now. I'm curious to see if it will be just a skip and they get their shit back together by 12. For now, surprisingly, I do not miss Windows one bit.
I still keep 10 around as dual boot for PCVR. Sure, I got it working (mostly) on Bazzite but its by no means trivial and hassle free. Everything else was smooth sailing most of the time. Just the few times I crashed head first into the immutable nature, caused me a bit of a headache.

[-] goatinspace@feddit.org 8 points 2 days ago
[-] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

vintage 🤌

[-] ViscloReader@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Reads like a onion article

[-] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

So it's a botched update not a desigbed feature.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

It's Microsoft, same thing.

[-] sundray@lemmus.org 5 points 2 days ago

Perfect, you've got it, freeze the code base.

[-] DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth 3 points 1 day ago

This isn't satirical?

[-] TourCookie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

The link doesn't work for me?

[-] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

so they're vibe cussing with uhhh what's their stupid "AI" called... copilot?

actually makes some sense, any pilot Microsoft creates would be crash prone...

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