We've got an issue here. It won't let me see the post. I believe you, but is there an archive version of this?
Edit: Here is the original article: https://www.404media.co/ice-and-cbp-agents-are-scanning-peoples-faces-on-the-street-to-verify-citizenship/
Exclusive: algorithm used by fascism app has been leaked!
And yet apps helping identify ICE agents are taken down.
I actually do not understand how some people find this unconcerning. This is like blatantly dangerous.
I'm just surprised that they didn't call the app Minority Report - I mean it's right there and so accurate
Probably would have if it was made by Palantir, since they seem to have no problems with particularly on the nose names. Although tbh I'm not sure who made the app after searching for a bit.
40% of the population.
Dangerous? It’s outrageously illegal. Unless we’re just gonna say all documentation is null and void. Which. We’re not.
The state determines what is legal and illegal. It's mostly irrelevant in the discussion of the evil that a state does. Apartheid was legal, so was slavery, so was the Holocaust
The administration has shown they have less than zero respect for any sort of laws or precedents set by the past, and at this point whether something is illegal just blends into the background, as you could say they do illegal things every day. Dangerous is a more fitting term to provide a sense of urgency
Fascism: there's an app for that!
404 Media is journalist owned (there are four of them) and they’re doing some of the best journalism in the USA lately. I signed up about a year ago and don’t regret it. If you’ve got the extra cash and you actually give a damn about our broken media landscape, you could find a lot worse places to spend it.
Uhm excuse me is this app available in an official app store? Does this mean ICE SIDELOADED THEIR APP?
No way they could explain how to do that to these apes. Apple and Google are complicit in this, they like being able to bribe Trump. Probably just need to add their name to the list of people that can see it in the app store.
It's likely a work profile type dealio, right? My last job you could activate the work profile and it automatically installed the work appropriate apps.
Serious answer to non-serious question, corpos can deliver apps to phones past app stores, e.g. intune/company portal etc.
Fucking excuse me? An app is supposed to override my goddamn birth certificate? Absolutely not. In fact, I’ll be damned if I let a cop scan my face without putting up a fight. I’m walking away unless detained, and if I’m detained, I’m not doing a fucking thing until I have my lawyer.
Edit: Look up and commit to memory the phone number of your local chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, if you don’t already have an attorney’s contact information ready at hand.
There's no due process anymore. Why do you believe you'll ever be granted a lawyer, let alone a phone call, or a court date? They're just out there assaulting and disappearing people.
You also get a court-appointed lawyer if you don’t have other options and staying silent in jail for a week is preferable to admitting whatever they want you to admit to secure a conviction.
Don’t Talk Without A Lawyer (Working for You) Present.™
I wish you well but you may be underestimating how far down we've gone. If you try to walk away or put up a fight, and you will be swarmed by cops who will take you to the ground with no concern for the injury they are doing. At the least you will be bleeding, at the worst you'll get some broken ribs or worse.
Once they're done beating on you, you will be detained, I won't say arrested, and you will be taken to an ICE facility where you will not get a phone call or access to a lawyer or medical care. After a day or two, maybe less, you will be transferred to an ICE facility a few states away, or maybe on the other side of the nation. Your friends and family will not be informed and will have no way to find you until ICE decides you've had enough and let's you go. Assuming they don't just deport you for the hell of it.
Remember, until you prove you're a citizen, you don't get due process. And of course, without due process you can't prove you are a citizen.
An app is supposed to override my goddamn birth certificate?
The issueance of said birth certificates is a power reserved to the states, and state-issued documents must be given full faith and credit. US citizenship is supposed to be secondary to someone's citizenship to the state. So, if the states have to give them credit, so too must the federal government.
Who would win?
An app connected to a server
1 itty bitty DDOS attack
Error, couldn't reach server. Default judgment: guilty
Is it time for LOIC to make a comeback?
Sounds like a visit from some hackers to make everyone legal is in order.
This is analogous to drug sniffing dogs; the purpose isn't that the technique is valid, it's that is provides a plausible excuse for an action.
I want everyone to be speaking like this, so I will lead by example.
If they fucking try it, I will kill them. Then and there.
Doesn't mean a lot online, talking to a bunch of people who don't know you from Adam. Better to start speaking like this in person with your neighbors, preferably not in range of any recording devices. A single neighbor that knows that you're willing to raise up arms in their defense is worth more than any number of online strangers that you couldn't possibly help defend
On an unrelated note, the Second Amendment is not just for conservatives
Yeah apps are known to be 100% reliable and without bugs.
Tap for spoiler
/sarcasm
I really really really hope that when this is all said and done, every single one of these people face consequences. And we all know what consequences the people want.
I think it "overrides" proof of citizenship because of the numbers theyre told to deport. A "figure it out later, but get the deportation numbers now" scenario
Life comes full circle Nazis did genocide to Jews so now Israeli are enabling Nazis, while carrying out genocide of their own.
The wording of "alien" is pretty disturbing in and of itself. Not illegal or anything, not "foreign", but "alien". Might as well just say "unwanted".
I can't believe nobody has noticed this in their rage boner, but this is double hearsay. Some dude said that he was told by other dude that this is going on.
I'm all for people fearing and even hating ICE, but this one smells funky.
If the Israelis have rolled it out in Palestine then it’s coming to a theater near you! See: The Palestinian Laboratory. The Palestinian Laboratory. .
Wait, like match = definitive OK? Or no match = definitive OK? Or no match = definitive not OK? I ask because the details are quite bedeviled.
The first is relatively benign, since it would be a “greedy” OK-list that errs on the side of leaving people alone and otherwise, in a no-match case, requires using traditional methods for identity verification. That kind of app would be the equivalent of Global Entry or TSA Pre-check, an efficiency measure to wave familiar faces through.
The second is worse because it acts as an overconfident not-OK-list that usually errs on the side of leaving people alone but doesn’t account for false positives.
The third is what the headline implies. It’s an OK-list that aggressively errs on the side of “not OK.” The only reason to make an app like that is computer says no.
Regardless, fuck ICE. Fuck Trump.
Won't it be super FUN when we use our own App to find them all and bring them to court to face their trials and sentences? I'm staying in super good shape just because...
If we feed in enough images of trump from videos, bet one will say he's not a citizen.
Corporate data superseding government data. Can't image how this could possible end badly. /s
The app is just that Family Guy colour chart.
People tweeting stuff. We allow tweets from anyone.
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