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[-] Poopfeast420@lemmy.zip 46 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The source is one single user on ResetEra, that doesn't post any proof.

Another user refuted the claims and posted logs, that show what gets sent, which seemingly doesn't include any Copilot data. The AI part only happens, when you actually ask a question to Copilot (duh). So the thread gets closed.

The article omits the second part of course, and everybody in this thread is just foaming at the mouth, because it's Microsoft, so it has to be true.

[-] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It still can be true, if Microsoft does an A/B testing. Some may get it earlier than others and this could result in different realities. Edit: Note, I am not saying it is true, just adding some spice that it still can be. I'm also skeptical about single unproofed claims, even if I don't like Microsoft.

[-] wellheh@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 days ago

"Adding some spice" is just ragebaiting, be honest. We have no idea what they're doing and have zero proof they are doing what's asserted, but we want to make a narrative that it could happen anyway.

[-] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 1 points 2 days ago

We have no idea what they’re doing and have zero proof they are doing what’s asserted

That is exactly what I'm saying here. You can't exclude or conclude based on your personal beliefs if you have no proof for or against it.

[-] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

I was foaming at the mouth because I don't like copilot so nothing change for me. Still outraged for the same reason. Really wish they made the AI stuff modular so people can use apps without it we know why they don't.

[-] Poopfeast420@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

The Copilot part for the Game Bar is a Widget, that you can independently disable.

Even then, from what is written in the thread, it's not like it actually does anything, unless you specifically use the Copilot feature for the Game Bar.

The only thing that might rub people the wrong way is that the widget is enabled by default.

[-] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Widget can't be uninstalled short of uninstalling the entire xbox app.

[-] ano_ba_to@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 days ago

If I were Microsoft, this is exactly how I would convince users that Copilot is totally okay. Say something that's worse than what they're doing and then debunk that. At least MS is not spying on my games! You guys are just blowing things out of proportion.

[-] Angelevo@feddit.nl 1 points 2 days ago

It has become a strange obsession for some, indeed.

[-] ano_ba_to@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 days ago

See? That's how you turn the situation and blame the users. Now we're no longer talking about Microsoft being shady.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Why is consent such a hard concept for these fucks.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 4 points 1 day ago

Still happy here in Linux.

[-] als 34 points 2 days ago

If you haven't uninstalled windows yet, I don't know what can convince you

[-] Romkslrqusz@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago

One user already mentioned VR Support.

For simmers, racing wheel and HOTAS Support can be iffy. SimHub for controlling bass shakers requires some extra finagling.

There are a handful of helpful tools written for Windows where I haven’t found a Linux alternative that doesn’t come with some heavy tradeoffs - MSI Afterburner, Voicemeeter Banana, Rainmeter are but a few examples.

Then there’s the ever increasing number of games requiring kernel level anticheat that doesn’t play nice with Proton.

Unfortunately, Windows probably going to stay my go-to for my desktop gaming PC and I have other reasons for that. Happy to have Linux on my portable secondary devices, as I can always Sunshine/Moonlight my way back to my main system for anything those can’t do.

[-] Kn1ghtDigital@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago
[-] TheAgeOfSuperboredom@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

Have you tried ALVR? It works pretty well for me at least. Supposedly the latest Steam Link VR beta works with several headsets too.

[-] otacon239@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I know the Index is obviously compatible as well as the Pico 4. I know there’s not a ton of options, but you can definitely still do it on Linux.

[-] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Yes, we can play "some" VR games on linux (vive(my headset), index, quest, and pico all have compatibility) but it is not yet at the point flat games are. I'm still trying to get more than the meta ported games to play with proper feeling(even they are a little lacking), the other games almost all have issues with frame rate, making it extremely tiring and headache inducing, then there are the mods that do not have linux native mod installers/launchers (satisfactory modders made theirs work well, install game through steam, run smm, install mods, boom done) where you need to install steam a second time with the game inside it as well. It is coming along and I am here for it, but until VR is up to speed I cannot let go of that crap os, all I can do is play all the games that work well in linux and the rest on a content stripped windows (I've removed all apps and files not required for VR/streaming)

STRONG SUGGESTION FOR VR USERS ON STEAM: Get WLX overlay to be able to interact with your desktop since steam likes to close the desktop overlay when the desktop is interacted with

[-] otacon239@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I agree with everything here, but this was at one point the case with pancake gaming. I’m not saying that we deserve it, but it’s always been the tradeoff with Linux. I’ve never gotten a Linux system running with the expectation that it will work 100%. I admittedly essentially dropped my use of VR when I switched, but it comes down to a cost benefit analysis.

I just made the choice that an OS that wasn’t fully functional was better than an OS that didn’t respect me as a user. I’d much rather things not work in good faith than to have a working product progressively made worse for financial gain.

[-] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

I’ve never gotten a Linux system running with the expectation that it will work 100%.

I only expect an OS to do what it was designed to do. I was so happy when steam went full crazy on proton, all of my flat library works like a dream, only 30 or so games, my VR library is over 100.

100% I do know of (and was well aware before my move) the limitations, I used linux in early 00. The way flat games are today I see VR being similar in 5 - 10 yrs (we are a small community overall and even smaller on linux). We WILL get there because the "real gurus" will take us there, I has faith and patience. Until then, M$ can harvest my streams and VR gameplay (I have stripped all apps, files, and flat games from my windows install and I only play for 2hrs at a time 5-7 times a week)

[-] dev_null@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I have an Index, no, it's far from "obviously compatible". Yes you can get it working, but with many tradeoffs, performance issues, crashes, many VR games not working anyway even if the headset does, missing features outside the core functionality. And getting even to that state of not so easy unless you are on the correct distro with correct display manager.

I wish you could do VR on Linux with an experience at least somewhat close to Windows. But that's just not the case, so I need a Windows 10 VM to play VR.

[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

I've convinced my SO but thats it. My other gamer friends aren't computer savvy enough to do it and go through all the headaches.

So they'll keep dealing with ms shitty practices..

[-] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago
  • VST / full plugin support Ableton or FL support (I'm sorry but they are just way easier to use and that's kind of important for casual users)
  • AfterFX support or feasible alternative
  • better audio interface drivers
  • easier firewall like net limiter
  • generelly making some more things controllable in an interface rather than only the terminal

I am not comfortable giving up my whole music production trajectory just because.

[-] Gutek8134@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I've never used anything from Adobe kit myself, but I've heard that Davinci Resolve is a good After Effects alternative

[-] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well when I tried it it sucked. It's solid for replacing Premiere Pro but AfterFX has some different functions that davinci Resolve just doesn't offer out of the box. I had a real bad day trying to build an audio reactor. I actually tried installing reactor for like 3 days and alternatively get familiar with the scripting API. I had to give up because it started to eat into my daily schedule.

[-] Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

VR and compatibility with my sim cockpit and racing rig. Those are basically the only games I care about now. I don’t feel the need to purchase any other game that’s windows only so once the sim hardware is compatible, all of my machines will be Linux.

[-] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I can't play CoD or Battlefield on Linux and those two are my main shooters.

I'll just stick to my usual "violently murdering any AI assistant they put in the OS" thing.

[-] Gutek8134@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I've fully moved to Linux in June, but I guess monthly subscription?

[-] Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

You can continue getting updates for Window 10 for free and they don't really add new software to Windows.

Microsoft Office and lots of line of business apps (e.g. I prefer Tableau desktop over the web version) require Windows. Many game (not only multiplayer ones) continue to have issues with Linux (although there have been massive improvements in the last ~5 years).

[-] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago

If it watched me play The Sims 20 years ago it probably would have reported me to the police.

FYI anything connected to Microsoft is handed over to Law Enforcement if it's ever "flagged". Want to know what gets flagged? They won't tell you.

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

So you are saying I can get them to swat my employer's offices?

[-] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 16 points 2 days ago

I'm so fucking glad I never have to touch microshit again

[-] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago
[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 days ago

Be the change you want to see in the world

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

I was wondering what they planned on doing with these increasingly fast processors. Apparently, it will be used to spy on you while providing training data to their AI. Why the hell this is acceptable I don't know. It reminds me of those bad actors who use to mine Bitcoin covertly on other people's computers with compromised software or web pages.

[-] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

I got so mad at this I literally crashed out on Tumblr about it. (warning: VERY foul language)

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