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[-] pleaseletmein@lemmy.zip 109 points 4 days ago

So after all the hysteria about “biological males” in women’s sports/changing rooms/bathrooms, they have succeeded in forcing a biological male into women’s sports/changing rooms/bathrooms.

[-] KelvarCherry 22 points 4 days ago

They'll be grooming him into a femboy soon enough, y'know, because masculine men should dominate inferior males. Not because they're gay, or anything.

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[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

Just to go full circle on their dumbfuckery, I'd bet that they'll start advocating for the school to pay to have him transition against his will so his outward appearance will match his birth cert.

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[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 days ago

Blind obedience to the papers. No thought required.

[-] arararagi@ani.social 6 points 3 days ago

Not even that since it says the parents got it corrected, he now has a birth certificate saying he's a male, but they are still clinging to the first one.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 days ago

i'm becoming increasingly convinced that a lot of admin workers are just a bit evil, every decision seems to be guided by "what is the most egregious way i can misinterpret and mangle this paperwork?"

just recently there was a guy here in sweden who was fucking pronounced dead for absolutely no reason whatsoever, and courts ruled that it was an honest mistake???? like what the fuck, why are random admin workers seemingly a separate untouchable ruling class?? We're not even talking about rich people, it's just Mary in accounting who is arbitrarily allowed to redirect your wage to her bank account and go unpunished.

[-] BrotherL0v3@lemmy.world 329 points 5 days ago

We informed the parent that documentation such as a chromosome analysis could be considered to help support or verify eligibility in accordance with policy.

I cannot imagine being the dumbass who said that with a straight face.

[-] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 200 points 5 days ago

I don't understand why it's the school asking for this and not whoever updated the birth certificate? How did school administrators become the judges of who is a boy or girl?

[-] joel_feila@lemmy.world 91 points 5 days ago

republican laws often give the final say to the loudest karen and the cost onto the schools.

[-] Manjushri@piefed.social 62 points 5 days ago

Because their the ones who will be prosecuted under the law if they allow a kid to play on the wrong team.

[-] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

My (cis female) birth certificate erroneously was filled out with "male". Same error happened on the birth certificate of my mother (who is also cis female). It's never caused either of us any problems. Schools enrolled us as female, driver's licenses say female, etc.

When I was in college in the early 2000s, my dad's mother helped me get a copy of my birth certificate, and was horrified her beautiful granddaughter was listed as male. She called up the county clerk and raised Cain, and then informed me it had been corrected. I've never needed to get a fresh copy since then, so I don't know for sure, but it sounded like the word of an angry old lady was enough to get an update filed.

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[-] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 59 points 5 days ago

Did anyone inform the administration that documentation such as chromosome analysis could be considered to help support or verify eligibility in participating with the human race? Because it seems like they might be a slime mold, based on their integrity and decision-making ability.

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[-] hayvan@feddit.nl 44 points 4 days ago

~~Your gender is what you declare~~
~~Your gender is what's in your pants~~
Your gender is what I declare

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 days ago

i have changed your gender, pray i do not alter it further

[-] hayvan@feddit.nl 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

🥹
👉👈

Pwease can you alter it a bit further good sir?

[-] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Say the 5 middle-aged men on the school board that are probably thrilled at being able to do genital inspections of children. "Sorry, those are the rules that I wrote!"

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[-] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 232 points 5 days ago
[-] fsociety@sopuli.xyz 81 points 5 days ago

That’s beginning to feel like an understatement. We need a new type of hole to describe just how shit things are. A shit-Mariana Trench country, perhaps.

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[-] heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net 74 points 4 days ago

So glad kids can experience political influence in their personal lives. They will learn what needs to burn down.

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 40 points 4 days ago

This is the kind of stupid bullshit republicans create because they don't solve problems they create contraversies in a lab and then when they actually get voted into office to "solve" them they literally do stupid shit like this.

[-] Corridor8031@lemmy.ml 58 points 4 days ago

i think sport, exspecially in schools, should always be mixed. Also i think the competetivness of american school sport is kind of toxic, it should be about having fun

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[-] Cheems@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago

They could make an airbud type movie like this

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 14 points 4 days ago

Nowhere in the rules says a woman with a penis can't play basketball, in fact the rule book is very light on the mention of genitals at all!

The NBA and NFL both allow women, it's just at that level it is extremely hard to find anyone who can compete.

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[-] BananaPeal@sh.itjust.works 36 points 4 days ago

Can we just separate kids by skill level rather than gender? My middle school cis son loves playing sports, but he's not very good. He gets discouraged when the better kids bully him because of it.

[-] scala@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 days ago

Skill based matchmaking. Most competitive video games use it. Why not IRL?

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

I don't see why bottom tier teams shouldn't be co-ed. PE we did co ed sports days all the time and its more about getting exercise than winning.

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[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 33 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I'm glad the people that had emotional meltdowns over the chance of boys being on girls teams... have made a boy, by their own actions and stupidity, be forced on the girls team

[-] LadyAutumn 28 points 4 days ago

Sex segregation in childrens sports is legitimately a powerful indoctrinating force for binary sexism and the enforcement of gender roles.

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[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 70 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If that were me, I’d start wearing skirts and mascara. Let my nails grow out, tweeze my asshole, shave my treasure trail into a facsimile of a set of ovaries. Pitch my voice up, incorporate the words “bitch” and “tea” into my daily vernacular. Cry after sad movies and even harder after happy ones. Entirely unrelated to the article, btw

[-] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 51 points 5 days ago

Take your pills, Alice.

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[-] Okokimup@lemmy.world 68 points 5 days ago

The district pointed to a state law enacted in 2022, which mandates that school sports teams must be designated “based on the biological sex of the students who participate” in the sport. A federal judge blocked enforcement of that law in 2023, but only against two trans student-athletes who filed suit against it. (An appeals court upheld that injunction last year, and the Supreme Court declined to take up the case this summer.)

Any chance this is some malicious compliance?

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 63 points 5 days ago
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[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 45 points 5 days ago

What a USA thing to do. Holy shit.

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[-] TWeaK@lemmy.today 5 points 3 days ago

So does he have to use the girls' bathroom, also??

[-] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It really sounds like somebody in the Queen Creek School District wanted to make a political issue out of him. Presumably, as cited in the article, the state law they pointed to enacted in 2022, which mandates that school sports teams must be designated “based on the biological sex of the students who participate” in the sport. It doesn't matter where you are in the political aisle, it's pretty shameless to exploit this politically, even if it's just so they can go "look at how senseless this law is!" by making an issue out of its strictest interpretation.

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 40 points 4 days ago

which mandates that school sports teams must be designated “based on the biological sex of the students who participate” in the sport.

His biological sex is female. At least, according to the laws that transphobes have written. The problem with the term "biological sex" is that it's far more complicated than conservatives pretend.

For example, I'm a trans woman myself. If I had been born with an (age appropriate) of the body I have now, I would have been assigned female at birth. And according to all these new Jim Crow laws, I would be required to use the female facilities and accommodations, literally having the exact same body I do now.

You can try to claim that sex is chromosomes, but a biologist would laugh in your face. There is so much variance to human biological development that chromosomes don't begin to fully describe natal biological sex. And even if you ignored all that and went with chromosomes anyway? You could just genetically test everyone. But then conservative voters would hate that. The purpose of these laws is to destroy trans people, not to inconvenience cis people. And legislators don't want to force white suburban parents to pay $2000 for chromosome testing whenever their kid wants to join a sports team.

What else could they use? They could use hormones. A very good argument can be made that hormones simply are a person's biological sex. Hormones are what after all causes someone to actually develop a penis or vagina in the first place. So why not use a cheap blood test and assign sports based on hormones? Well, again, the purpose of the law is to destroy trans people. And it's pretty easy to alter your hormones. Conservatives need rigid, unalterable, lifelong sex categories. Without those, they wouldn't be able to justify forcing women to be second class citizens.

What else? You could use physical features. You could have a coach visually inspect the genitals of every student who signs up for a team, but that has obvious problems. The coaching profession already is a magnet for pedophiles. Plus, again, the purpose of the law is to destroy trans people, not inconvenience cis people. And no parents wants the coach looking at their kid's junk.

That's the problem with laws like this. That's what trans people have been shouting from the rooftops for years, but we've been ignored. The concept of "biological sex" is hopelessly vague. The use of the term is just a way of putting up a "no tr*nnies allowed" sign while attempting to be legally defensible. It's completely unworkable as a tool of assigning sports teams or public accomodations. So instead, the laws were written to use the only tool available: birth certificates. Legally speaking, in Republican states, the sex on your birth certificate IS your biological sex. Your actual genetics, gonads, hormones, etc are completely irrelevant. If your original birth certificate says F, you are female, forever. Your actual biology is irrelevant, you are biologically female, legally speaking.

So no, this isn't just some cruel political statement. This is the law being implemented exactly the way it was written. Trans people warned folks that any attempt to legislate trans people out of existence would have numerous knock-on effects for cis people. But in these states, they were too excited about the possibility of getting to destroy a few trans folks to worry about whatever those trans folks were screeching about.

You cannot just use "biological sex" in a law. You have to define precisely what that phrase means. And as conservatives don't like the definition of "biological sex" that actual biologists come up with, they have to try to craft a legal definition that destroys trans people without inconveniencing cis people. And that simply isn't possible. There's no way to write legislation that destroys trans people without also harming a few cis people as collateral damage.

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[-] jojowakaki@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

I'm genuinely curious what happens for example if this cis gender boy wants to get married with a cis gender girl. Would that be a gay marriage (I dunno what is the correct term). And if they are in a state where it's not allowed, how does it go?

(I am not from US. I assume union of same sex is not fully accepted and every state and/or community have different laws and practices)

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[-] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago

I don't know how American birth certificates work. Is he officially female for life, unless he wants it changed?

I imagine trans people would be quite happy in such a situation. Like winning the lottery.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago

There is a process to amend birth certificates, presumably initially intended for errors like this. But then people who successfully transitioned used the process to amend their birth certificates to reflect their new gender, because there was no other way to do it. The transphobes seized on this, and started processes that refuse to honor any late changes to birth certificates.

It should have been a simple matter to resolve - his doctor wites a note saying "This kid has boy parts, and always has. The birth certificate was always an administrative error". But then, that would force the transphobes to acknowledge a role for facts and science to contradict their feelings. So, we can't have that either.

So, they go on claiming that they are just out for the best interests of kids, and that justifies why they are treating this kid so poorly. When in reality, they are just protecting their narrative, at his expense.

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[-] Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca 43 points 5 days ago

That’s not a bad thing. He’s going to have a lot of girlfriends

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