“We’re not going to take away your child and change the sex of your child… unless your child’s sex and gender don’t align with what we think they should be, in which case CPS will forcibly remove the child from that twisted family and enrol them in conversion therapy.”
I'm just surprised that people think Carney, our prime minister, should antagonize Trump, who is currently master and chief of one of the largest, if not the largest military force in the world, over his stance on trans people. And to do it when he's there for trade talks.
I'm just surprised that people think that Carney sitting there and refusing to engage in Trump's bullshit, when the purpose of his visit is to negotiate trade on behalf of our entire country.
I'm not sure why anyone thinks Carney's priority should be arguing with Trump over trans people, when we currently have a trade war going on, that can easily devolve into an actual war....
You're 100% right and I agree with you wholeheartedly but there is a part of me that wishes out of moral principles someone public chastised him on this bullshit. He needs a dressing down on national television regardless of the consequences.
Oh, I agree, but unfortunately I think I know how that will go.
He'll continue to spout his bullshit and shit talk whomever gave him the dressing down, whenever he is put in front of a camera for at least a few weeks afterwards, probably calling whatever country they're from a shithole, his supporters will buy it up and nothing will change.
If that was done by Carney, it would just politically burn any credibility in trade negotiations, and put Canada under the gun for further punitive tariffs.
I really really want to see someone call him out too, but I also understand why Carney wouldn't.
He has to be as focused on the topic at hand and stay away from any side tracked conversation, as much as he can; he's representing so many Canadian interests and companies that he can't take the risk. I wouldn't want him to take on that risk.
I can shit talk America's tariffs all day long, and call Taco any manner of names, but at the end of the day, the (almost entirely) free trade that Canada and the USA had before now was always beneficial for both countries, and getting back to that point would be beneficial for everyone.
We sell a lot of material to US companies, and so they make up a nontrivial amount of the GDP. We're working really hard right now to change that, but it's still the reality of the situation.
Personally, I'm rooting for international trade with allies that are not the USA. That's what I want to see. As much as I feel bad for our American neighbors who don't support drumph, it's up to them to rally together and fix this crap. I support them in their efforts, but more diversified international trade is only going to benefit Canada.
I'm not sure why he's wasting time on that orange turd. He should be getting the rebuild of our lost industries going and telling the americans to GTFO and eat dirt at this point. Stengthen ties with EU and Mexico now.
I'm aware that the feds have been working on more international trade with our allies in Asia/Europe/anywhere that isn't the USA....
I was commenting the other day to my SO that most products don't even need to be "made in Canada" for me to want to buy them, they just need to say "not a product of the USA" and I'll consider it a viable option to buy.
Anything made in the USA, I try to avoid or find non-US made alternatives.
You're "surprised that people think that Carney sitting there and refusing to engage in Trump’s bullshit"?
Okay.
It's a tough spot having to endure the demented child rapist elected (twice) by our southern neighbours, probably best to just smile and nod and sucker punch that fucking moronic nazi when he's not looking
Carney has already proven that he is incapable of actually standing up to Trump, so this doesn't surprise me. If he isn't willing to stick up for his own kid, how can we expect him to stick up for the rest of us?
I'm certain the basic ability to do so isn't the problem. More like, they have us at a disadvantage and he thinks tolerating Trump is the smartest play. Time will tell if that works out at all.
I heard a nice line on CBC Power & Politics today - that what we're feeling right now is the powerlessness Latin American countries have been feling for a long time while being in the US'es crosshair.
Alliance time :>
we’re gonna need to get rid of the open-air mines before doing any alliance
canada always firmly stood with the american imperialists for our own gain, i doubt south america would trust us just now that the US is starting to show us it’s back
Typical neolib capitulation- ahem I mean tolerance. That's worked great for the Americans, I'm sure it'll work for the Canadians /s
As much as Canadians would like to say fuck off to all things American, cutting ties like that would cripple us economically and potentially result in the destruction of our country. Tanking our economy to spite the States would not only destroy lives, but it would give Danielle Smith more fodder for AB separation, which in turn would result in a broken Canada, and eventually no Canada at all.
At the very least, Carney still needs to "play nice" for the moment, and I'm really hoping once things are in place with other markets he publically tells Trump to pound sand. I'm saving my judgement for the end of his first year. He's arguably got the hardest road of any PM in decades. That said, I really wish he'd put his elbows back up.
Antagonizing the US has worked great for Cuba after all.
Cuba actually had another friend willing to protect them for decades, even. We don't have a partner that would definitely always choose us over them.
Appeasement, if you’re nasty
I disagree with this assessment.
I think that Carney was there for trade talks and refused to be side tracked from that and engage in discussions that were unrelated to the goal of improving trade relations between the USA and Canada.
He just sat there, and let Donny boy run his fat mouth, and when they got back on topic he suddenly had something to say.
Honestly, when I'm trying to have a productive conversation about something with someone and they veer off into insanity mid conversation, I usually just let them talk themselves out, then redirect them to the topic when they seem like they're done, so we can have productive discussions on the matter at hand.
Bluntly, there's no point arguing with the senile about their insane positions on anything, even if you get them to agree or change their viewpoint, in 15 minutes they'll forget and go back to their original bullshit.
I'm disappointed in Carney but admittedly don't have enough info to fully justify feeling that yet. There's a lot of nuance at that level and it does seem like Carney is shifting our interests to other markets.
My hope is he's stringing the US along while he makes changes, basically like setting up a place to live and work before ending an abusive relationship. I understand that cutting ties completely would cripple our economy so that's not an option, just gonna wait for the end of his first year before I really make my opinion.
I was shown this link in another post that clearly shows the trade changes Carney has been working on. It's well put together: https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/features/2025/canada-international-trade/
So the PM should let his personal life dictate state actions?
I think it should definitely impact what he's willing to tolerate. Or do you think he should betray his own convictions, just to appease a political bully? So much for "elbows up", then? Now, it's just, "Whatever you say, Mr. Trump"?
The trump answer is complex and will invariably end in bloodshed no matter the choices. Whether sooner or later is the question.
Appeasement is never the solution.
Delaying while preparing could be a strategy.
Unfortunately, I agree with you. If history is any indicator, this is not going to end well...for any of us. We need to prepare that inevitability.
If you are the head of a state you don't get the luxury of personal convictions. You should always be acting in the interest of the state.
Realpolitik says the best interests of Canada are to try to get Trump to walk back steel and aluminium tariffs buying time while to diversify exports and institute "Buy Canadian"
And, again...is it "in the interest of the state" to capitulate to economic extortion? We're just giving him what he wants, and getting nothing in return? And our leader is sitting there while he insults us all...including his own kid. What the actual fuck does that say about us? It says we're weak, and Trump can say and do whatever the hell he wants, without consequences.
And for the record, Trump is not going to "walk back" those tariffs. He's not only using them to fund his domestic agenda, but also to pursue his foreign policy agenda. They are his leverage over us.
Why would anyone assume he's going to just let that leverage go, especially when it's working? That's just ridiculous.
What do you want him to do? Insult him and call him a bully so that you feel better? We live in the real world, where actions have real consequences.
The US is still our largest partner, and every action we take has real repercussions, such as job loss. In my opinion, he's doing a good job handling him because Trump is unpredictable.
A savvy leader doesn't need to insult anyone, in order to make their position clear.
What do you want him to do? Insult him and call him a bully so that you feel better?
As an American, YES. Trump is going to fuck you no matter what, so stand up for yourself.
Unfortunately, that clown is going to be in office for a few more years, unless your people throw him out (unlikely), or he dies of a stroke/heart failure (more likely).
Just because we are going to get fucked, doesn't mean you want to provoke anything either - you don't want to get fucked repeatedly and from different angles if you can help it.
The people criticizing Carney for not arguing with Trump have obviously never had the experience of arguing with a dementia ridden relative.
If only Carney was a good politican who had helped Canada in literally any way since taking office. At least he sorta looks good in comparison to a dementia riddled fascist, I guess. Fascists will see this as Canada bowing to the king.
I hate that he's better than the alternative
I hate seeing us becoming more of a two party system
we need voting reform
We need viable candidates.
I did not know that about him.
wouldn't it be the icing on the cake if the orange steaming pile of shit was trans? You know what they say about the most homophobic/transphobic people...
He does like his makeup, corsets and heel lifts.
He would have become an iconic drag queen if he made a couple different choices in the 1980s... so sad.
I feel like we need a clown emoji that looks like It.
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