I hate this stereotype; it blames bigotry against homosexuals on homosexuals.
So its not entirely just a stereotype. They have done studies on it, and it holds remarkably true. I'll see if I can find one of them for you.
Edited to add a link to the study: Homophobia study
Thank you for citing sources, remarkable that there is statistically an interaction. I wonder what other common phenomena people may be in denial about?
Nah, openly gay homosexuals aren't bigoted, it's only the ones in denial.
Exactly.
It's not accusing the being gay of fucking them up, it's accusing the unhealthy repression.
Gay people in denial are still gay though. If they weren't, they wouldn't be in denial
Well said.
oh so much better, it's just closeted people that are acceptable targets!
Not closeted people, just those in denial. If you're in the closet, that means you're scared of coming out, whereas someone who's in denial has some unhealthy reason to want to not be gay that leads them to hate that part of themselves.
ahh, so much better
How about we just attack homophobic people for being homophobic, instead of using gay as an insult in a roundabout way of calling them a hypocrite?
As a queer person I never understood this
They are not being attacked for being gay. They are specifically attacked for being homophobic.
TERFS are also not being attacked for being women, nor is attacking TERFS an attack against all women either.
Attacking someone who's bi or homosexual in denial and overcompensating that with hatred says absolutely nothing about gay people as a whole, or implies in any way that being gay is problematic.
And to be completely honest here, it feels kinda presumptuous the way this is being argued. Almost like it shouldn't be allowed to criticise someone gay for any reason at all. Queer people are a very diverse group of people and obviously we have assholes, too. It's not doing anyone a favor if we act like that's impossible.
It's not blaming homosexuals in general; it's blaming specifically those homosexuals who help uphold systems of oppression. It's the same as women who uphold sexism or pickme minorities. They're using the oppression of others as a shield against their own oppression instead of joining the fight for equality.
I hope no one is saying most misogynists are secretly women.
Steven Crowder might be, though.
Arachnophobia is so stupid. Just let the spiders get married
Suggesting all homophobes are gay is a great way for the straight community to avoid taking responsibility for their role in perpetrating homophobia. Most homophobes are straight haters.
Secretly gay/bisexual. Closeted. Self-hating, spreading their hate. Trying to cling onto a precarious hold on the straight lifestyle, they want to eliminate "temptation". Dudes, it's only tempting if you're already bi.
At least on the right it seems that way, with the Republican convention regularly crashing grindr.
And that is still a fraction of the community. The fact remains straight people outnumber LGBT+ folks by a considerable margin thus most haters are just hateful straight folks.
People who publicly identify as straight outnumber people who publicly identify as LGBTQ+, but the percentage of not solely straight rises in younger generations. Is it because of the vaccines (?!) or might it be that if you reduce the social penalty for admitting you're bi, the frequency of public identification as such rises?
I've said before that the projection arguement is just used too often. Yes some of them are probably in denial about their own preferences but I would say that the vast majority are just awful people.
I think transphobics tend to have a greater chance of being trans than homophobics have been gay, possibly because homophobia is looked down on by society, (at least in the West) in a way that maybe transphobia isn't quite as much. There are countries that have legalised gay marriage, but not hormone therapy, which is just bizarre.
I think that homophobes are jealous of gays. Jealous and envious to the point of hate. I think that homophobes span the entire human range of desires but at some point the thing that they desire the most was denied to them because it is "evil". And they just can't fucking handle the idea of gay/trans/ect out there just doing what they desire and not being punished for it. I think for many of them, homosexual and bisexual desires are definitely the issue, but there's plenty of straight homophobes with desires that they have been told is evil. And then there's the plenty who actually want truly evil shit.
But you are correct, it's not just closeted gays hating on themselves, it just happens that those seem to be the ones that seem to be the most vocal and visible.
Definitely true, but when it comes to the most extreme homophobes, there's no hatred like self-hatred.
they dint say All homophobes are gay, its just alot of them. the most outspoken ones tend to be the ones in the closet, or the ones that act very strangely around the notion of being gay. for the latter, i saw a video of a bodybuilder who was Hiding his face with a surgical mask(way before pandemic), everyone commented how he afraid of being gay, eventhough he showing off his body.(which is wierd in itself, because asians are pretty conservative as well)
As a child, I was terribly afraid of spiders. Until I did a science project on them and discovered I was an arachnophile after all and I’ve never looked back.
I'm an arachnophobe when I just walked through her web and don't know where the fuck she is. From a distance, though, I'm all 'Wow, what a wonderful creature!'
The spider spinning a web in front of my door is an asshole. The one eating things inside my house is a bro. The one guarding my rose bush is beautiful.
If you're spider-curious, take a look at Travis McEnery. If you think your an arachnophobe, check him out too; exposure therapy worked for Chill and youtube is a safe distance from the spiders.
Almost like the first one isn't true either.
This study kind of illustrates it may be true. It's not a huge sample size, but its difficult to deny there is at least a significant correlation.
That's not what the study says??
I don't have access to the full text, but it certainly doesn't state most homophobes display attraction to gay porn.
It says there is a correlation. If 5% of the population is gay and 10% of homophobes are gay, then homophobia is correlated with being gay.
But stating most homophobes are gay would require evidence that >50% are gay, not just that there exists a correlation.
As noted, its a small sample size, and even in that sample size the homophobic participants exhibited "arousal" to all sexual stimuli.
I don't think that makes someone gay.
You also have to consider the subset of self described homophobes who would consent to having a device strapped to their genitalia while they are shown gay porn...
They may not be a representative of the larger group.
Statistically speaking though...
Yeah... statistically speaking.... its not true.
Well, secretly bi then.
Why is there such a high frequency of republican conventions crashing grindr, if it's not men with repressed desires for man-on-man sex that daren't reveal their location in their home town?
Why do conservatives claim that the gay lifestyle is a choice, if they themselves didn't choose the straight lifestyle?
If they were completely straight, why would they think that seeing gay relationships in books entices young people into gay relationships? Surely someone 100% straight would be unaffected and it wouldn't occur to them that it was attracting young people who weren't already that way inclined.
Every fear conservatives have of gay people only makes sense if they're coming from a bisexual perspective themselves.
Imagine you don't find lizards at all appealing as pets and you think the vast majority of people feel the same way. Do you complain when they show people who own lizards on the television on the grounds that it entices lizard ownership? No! Now imagine you find lizard ownership really really appealing but you think it's a disaster ecologically and cruel for the lizard or something. Now you're writing angry social media posts saying they ought not to depict that on television because it only encourages it.
Purely straight men have nothing whatsoever to fear from gay men. Only reluctant bi men worry about it and ask society to remove the temptation.
"Most" is what scares me here.
Because most homophobes aren't afraid of gay people. They hate them. It's a very non descriptive labels fan is technically incorrect in most cases, though it DOES work as an insult to homophobes by making them seem like an absolute fucking wuss so I'm not in arms about that. In fact, I support it despite this fact. Fuck you, homophobes, you fucking dicks.
Hate is a form of fear.
Is it though?
I hate my neighbor's Chihuahua because it barks all day everyday.
Absolutely no part of me fears a dog that weighs less than 4 lbs.
What a homophobe is afraid of is gay men treating them the way they treat women.
I've been married to an arachnophobe for 42 years and now I have questions.
Look for telltale signs in your marriage like:
If any of these are true you might be married to a human.
Ok, but ewww, imagine the other way around - seeing a spider doing normal spider-bro things, but it's turns out it's a human?
This guy?
No, this dude gets a pass.
Apparently, half of homophobes are gay. The other half have actual phobias about gay people.
So watch out, homophobes. Half of your friends secretly want to suck your dick.
Most homophones are secretly homographs
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