MAGAts = Neo-Nazis + Fascists.

Although by some coincidence, the people we call fascist tend to spend alot of their time wishing alot of harm on all sorts of people they hate.

Let me start by saying I'm 100% against fascism, but... we do have a terminology problem. The left overall has a messaging problem, "Oh Black lives matter, so that means White lives don't?!?" Words do matter, but it's because they matter that we have a problem. The left seems to ebb and flow on vibes ("Just because we say Black lives matter doesn't mean other people's lives don't") while the right seems so much more literal, but the subtext is maybe even more implied. For example, they might say "They [people not like us] are taking our jobs," but what they really mean is that they are taking the jobs we want (office jobs, trade jobs, etc), but we don't mind them working the jobs we don't want (basic construction, farm hands, etc), all the while their vibe is wrong and that's not really happening.

When you call someone or something fascist they probably won't believe you because fascism equals Nazis which equals antisemitism in most of the common people's view. I'll assume that anyone who has found their way to Lemmy probably understands the difference, but at the same time many of this platform don't seem able to understand that the common person doesn't know the difference.

There is a big difference between systemic racism vs open bigotry. A bigot is much harder to turn from racism than a person who grew up in systemic racism. It still might take decades to turn someone who is systemically racist, but a bigot will likely take longer. The same applies to a fascist; like a systemic racist they might not understand that they are racist or what racism even is. Education or experience are the two avenues people escape those avenues, but it's especially hard if you're doing it alone and if you feel attacked by the terminology.

Fascist = Nazi = Jew hater

"Well, I don't hate jews, I'm not a Nazi, so I'm not a fascist" -common Fascist

I've had plenty of discussions with Conservatives where I took the discussion to a rich vs poor direction or a a personal rights vs governed rights direction and they suddenly become liberals without acknowledging it.

Honestly it's the same hurdle that the left has had for decades, just because you're a leftist doesn't mean you love Stalin and Mao. Messaging is important, one of the most recent persons to break that mold was Bernie Sanders who made it at least semi acceptable to be a Democratic Socialist.

The only good fascist is a very dead fascist.

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If you look like a fascist and talk like a fascist and act like a fascist you are probably a freaking fascist and that's the way people are going to deal with you until you give them evidence to the contrary.

fuck that. I wish harm on fascists. lots of it. so much harm that other fascists are scared to even be associated with the word.

The only good nazi is a dead nazi.

Sir that is Cody's Showdy and he is a srs journalist not a shitposter

But I do wish harm on fascists...

I don't call them Nazis because I dislike them, I dislike them because they're Nazis.

I do not want to be seen as defending fascists or being obscurantist but I regularly encounter normal people who literally never learned how to identify a fascist. To them, it vaguely means authoritarian and imperialistic and deploying it in conversations within an american context seems unnecessarily inflammatory. The average person has neither the time nor the inclination be as plugged into politics as we are. Words actually do mean things...just different things to different people.

Watched this yesterday and "Charles Entertainment Kirk" fucking murdered me

https://youtu.be/nD3rSA4FSqk?t=4982

"What is it that you want people to do when you call them fascists?"

We want you to stop being fascists, you blithering idiot!

"It is the correct word for donald trump and the people around him"

They don't mean anything anymore... Seen people on here calling everything from Joe Biden to Buffalo wild wings fascist.. (real encounters)

Love the Cody Showdy

Oh! This is the guy who talked about what a shithead Fetterman was even before the stroke! I could never find it again but I remember his face.