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“Democracy sustains capitalism. Capitalism thrives in a democracy. And, right now, we are dealing with, as I called him at my speech on the Ellipse, a tyrant,” she said, referencing her rally last year on the White House Ellipse in Washington. “We used to compare the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That’s what we’re dealing with right now in Donald Trump. And these titans of industry are not speaking up,”

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[-] Zedstrian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 185 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

He's a fascist dictator, not a communist one. And when the 'titans of industry' care more about their bottom line than democratic principles, that's a sign to rally against them, not frame one's argument with an echo of McCarthyism.

[-] ExistingConsumingSpace@midwest.social 55 points 11 months ago

Harris continues to demonstrate that she is not only was too incompetent for the job, but also 1/3 of the reason we have a fascist administration. The other 2/3 belong to Biden and the DNC for the curious. I don't think she's too uneducated to know the difference between communism and fascism, i belive she's intentionally conflating the two because at the end of the day, she's still a right wing pig.

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago

So you don't blame the actual fascists in your mathematics?

[-] Sidhean@piefed.social 20 points 11 months ago

I dont think we're trying to constructively critisize or reform the nazi party currently

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[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

He has taken some very communist steps. The government has taken stake in Nvidia and Intel, as well as received voting shares in Nippon Steel. His government has literally started seizing the means of production...

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 54 points 11 months ago

Those aren't even under the illusion of the workers owning the means of production, though.

It's fascism, utilizing the pre-existing Christian fundamentalism of American conservatism. The fact it includes kleptocratic state capitalism doesn't change the fascism, or its means of attaining power.

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[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Complete misunderstanding of what the term even means. Like I said in another comment, it's incorrect, antiquated boomer speak.

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[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 68 points 11 months ago

I mean so close, I do understand what she's trying to get across with things like Intel, yet absolutely dumb messaging.

[-] bigFab@lemmy.world 47 points 11 months ago

Kamala going back to american basics: all communist = bad --> all bad = communist.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah, completely overloaded and missed used term at this point that doesn't reflect the realities of anything in today's world outside of antiquated boomer speak.

She needed to grow a spine and say fascist.

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[-] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Even when attacking Trump, Democrats can't resist taking swipes at leftists...

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[-] ech@lemmy.ca 64 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Misleading, editorialized title. Any worthwhile journalist wouldn't quote somebody on words they didn't literally say.

[-] chosensilence@pawb.social 14 points 11 months ago

bad journalism for sure.. however, you can infer the meaning here. i don't think she'd separate 'tyrant' and 'communist' for distinction. still, hate how this shit passes as acceptable writing.

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[-] mhague@lemmy.world 49 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You are not interpreting this correctly, and neither is TheHill / Independent / whatever.

Think about it step by step.

  1. Some time ago, America was hardcore opposed to the USSR and the Communist bloc. Americans like her grew up hearing comparisons with Communist dictators and how they did X, Y, and Z. The bogeyman many people grew up with was a communist dictator who hated free speech, co-opted the state and therefore personally controlled industry, cracked down on artistic expression...
  2. That's what we're dealing with now. Not from the perspective of a McCarthy Boogeyman; Kamala isn't saying he's a communist. But from the adult perspective where we're supposed to care about free speech, a private industry, liberal art... Trump is the thing people grew up hearing about.

Tldr; Kamala didn't say this. This never happened. Watch the interview and think about what she means. Journalism strikes again~

Edit: Here's a simpler example: "We went years hearing from the right about demonic liberals abusing kids. Well Trump is that—that's what we're dealing with now."

That isn't saying Trump is a demonic liberal. It means "the thing everyone hated is here in a different form"

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 11 months ago

“We used to compare the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That’s what we’re dealing with right now in Donald Trump. And these titans of industry are not speaking up,”

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[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 48 points 11 months ago

Propaganda against socialism and communism still going strong in the usa

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[-] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago

Well. That tells me all I need to hear. The DNC had decided to lose. Again.

Good luck. You're gonna need it.

[-] Ironfist79@lemmy.world 42 points 11 months ago

She still doesn't get it. Capitalism inevitably leads to fascism. It's a core feature.

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 15 points 11 months ago

Capitalism leads to corporate monopolies leads to fascism.

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[-] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 11 months ago
[-] FarrellPerks@feddit.uk 31 points 11 months ago

How the hell is Trump a communist? What is she smoking damn.

The support for capitalism over all else is expected, neoliberals do little else, but this level of delusion? Worrying.

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[-] Bosht@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago

Fucking hell did she really need to throw in the red scare bullshit?

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[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 30 points 11 months ago

Wow and Harris just airballs it. Jesus.

In point of fact, capitalism is demonstrably quite enamored with authoritarianism in more places than just the US.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Did she actually say the quote in the title? Or is that the editor's work? In context it seems like she was causing Trump a tyrant, as are communist dictators, but not a communist:

She was pressed on MSNBC’s “The Rachel Maddow Show” about why she didn’t anticipate such action and responded that she believed “titans of industry would be guardrails for our democracy.”

“And one by one by one, they have been silent, they have been … feckless,” Harris said. “It’s not like they’re going to lose their yacht or their house in the Hamptons.”

“Democracy sustains capitalism. Capitalism thrives in a democracy. And, right now, we are dealing with, as I called him at my speech on the Ellipse, a tyrant,” she said, referencing her rally last year on the White House Ellipse in Washington. “We used to compare the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That’s what we’re dealing with right now in Donald Trump. And these titans of industry are not speaking up,”

Maybe I'm being too charitable. But that's how I read it, perhaps because I don't want to believe that senior Democrats can't tell a communist from a fascist.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 27 points 11 months ago

Harris is certainly well educated enough to know that Trump is not a communist; presumably these dipshit comments are for right-wingers, because she's trying to appeal to them again.

Goddamned neoliberals

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[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 26 points 11 months ago

Ma'am, with the greatest possible respect, Trump is as much a communist as the Nazis were socialists.

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[-] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

Oh my fucking god shut the fuck up Kamala.

[-] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

Trump is exhibiting classic dictator behaviors. Dictatorships are not exclusively right or left. History is full of dictators who use "communism" or fascism as a base.

This is where people conflate and confuse things like the FL Cubans who didn't like Kamala because "she's a socialist/Communist and I came from a country with a bad leader like that!"

They can't distinguish a ruling style from the underlying governing structure.

A dictator is a dictator is a dictator.

And you can look at dictatorial regimes across the spectrum and it's the authoritarianism and the dictator that is the common thread.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 21 points 11 months ago

hilarious to hear Americans use terms like Socialist, Communist, Fascist even at the levels of supposedly highly educated and clearly they have no idea what they are talking about.

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

This feels similar to what Biden tried to do (which failed spectacularly, btw) when he tried to outflank Trump on the border from the right, the summer before the election.

Its not clear understands what she's doing here and is confusing the language of communism with that of authoritarianism. So she's saying Trump isn't capitalist enough? Like who is it she thinks this rhetoric is going to move? Who is this argument designed to work on?

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[-] HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com 20 points 11 months ago

Democracy sustains capitalism. Capitalism thrives in a democracy

Exactly what a neoliberal would say.

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[-] Sunflier@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

A fascist dictator, not a communist dictator.

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 17 points 11 months ago

Because calling your enemies commie leftists is definitely not something fascists do.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

She can't say fascist because fascism is the merger of corporate and state power which is what the US has been building since forever.

[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

TIL Harris doesn't know the difference between communism and facism.

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[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 14 points 11 months ago

This seems to be a misquote, unless this is a separate quote they just didn’t bother to put in the article.

My read is she’s saying Trump is a dictator like they had in “communist” countries. I would frame this a bit differently but there certainly are similarities.

[-] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 14 points 11 months ago

Libs love losing and blue MAGA will eat all of this shit she's saying while advertising her crappy book up.

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

These people don't even know what a communist is. They just have "red bad" drilled so far into their heads that it's right next to "woke" as a catch-all term for bad things.

[-] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

What an incredibly stupid thing to say as one of the only public statements since losing an election to a bozo.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago
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