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[-] hector@lemmy.today 103 points 1 week ago

There appears to never have been any thought by the oligarchs that have brought us this fascism that it did not work. That giving absolute power to one person is a mistake even when that person isn't a deranged asshole to start with.

It didn't work for the rich people that wanted to protect their investments from the Socialists, and that is about exactly what is going on here, our rich were so scared of a little moderate reform that they created a monster they cannot control that will destroy them if they get what they want destroy them one way and or another.

They think they are in charge, that they will never run afoul of the supreme leader, that the supreme leader will not tank the economy in 12 different ways, and go ahunting oligarchs to seize their assets. All very mistaken and all going to happen sooner than later.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

Maybe the rich and lazy are actually just dumb as fuck? Scared all alone in their castle sitting on a throne of gold, they'll believe any con man.

[-] wjrii@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My theory is that it's less that they're truly dumb as fuck, but rather that they're not particularly special -- or does that make them dumb as fuck, LOL? -- and there's almost a dunning-kruger like effect. They see how powerful they are, able to act with near-impunity, and they don't realize how much of that has to do with whatever distribution of power and hesitance to use state violence exists in the flawed but democracy-ish systems they're currently dominating.

Yeah, I think this is a lot of it. They have never been told no or told they were wrong and they have come to believe it’s because they are brilliant and infallible, not because they were born powerful and have never not been powerful.

[-] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's my question too. Hitler shot himself in a bunker. Fascist governments don't often work out for themselves. What's the end game for Trump here?

Hitler was in his 40s when he became dictator. He had 12 years as ruler. I wonder if trump thinks that if he could get 12 years as dictator then it won't matter if he has to shoot himself because he'll be in his 90s.

The strategy here is start later in life... biology moves faster than the law or politics.

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[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago

Very rich people are generally not very smart, beyond being sociopathic manipulators, if you call that a form of EQ.

Very rich people are either pampered and priveleged old money, or ruthless two faced psychopaths. Or both.

Neither of these things really requires any kind of artistic creativity or much analytical ability or broad knowledge set or metacognition / self reflection.

There ya go.

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[-] Idreamofcheesy@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Kind of a click bait-y title. They claim there is no afterlife besides heaven, Hitler is dead, therefore Hitler went to heaven. In their mythology, hell doesn't exist.

They're also a raging antisemite who thinks the Nazis did nothing wrong and fascism is the only way to save America. So in a roundabout way the title isn't that wrong.

[-] Klear@quokk.au 27 points 1 week ago

Kind of a clock bait-y title. They claim there is no afterlife besides heaven, Hitler is dead, therefore Hitler went to heaven. In their mythology, hell doesn’t exist.

Oh, that's actually not a terrible idea if you believe in an absolutely good deity. No matter how much pain and suffering you cause during a finite time you are alive, it can't possibly justify being tortured in hell for eternity. You wouldn't go around saying Hitler went to heaven, but I can see them being put on a spot and having to concede this unpopular point.

They’re also a raging antisemite who thinks the Nazis did nothing wrong and fascism is the only way to save America. So I’m a roundabout way the title isn’t that wrong.

Oh. Oh no.

[-] blattrules@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

They’re just trying to make Trump feel better since he’s been wondering lately if he’ll get into heaven.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 56 points 1 week ago

A friendly reminder that she was a Prager U staff.

[-] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 week ago

PragerU and discovery institute are ground zero for religious brain rot & bootlicking lessons

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[-] prole 46 points 1 week ago

Awful shit aside, I thought people generally believed that you don't go to heaven if you commit suicide?

[-] ninjabard@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

It's a primarily a Catholic thing. The reasoning is that for every sin you commit, you must ask forgiveness (confession). By committing suicide, you have committed a sin but cannot ask for forgiveness and are thus condemned.

[-] 5too@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I never understood why you couldn't ask posthumously

[-] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

It's almost as if it's a bunch of nonsense

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

Ouija boards aren't always available in time.

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[-] Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 week ago

Yeah... God once told Peter "whoever kills this Hitler dude goes straight up, no questions asked".

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[-] uriel238 35 points 1 week ago

Hitler no longer exists. We do, and we have to confront the reality that people like Hitler still find their way into civic office where they can seize power and bring ruin to us all.

It's not a good thing for us to imagine a divine justice that balances out the evil wrought by persons past. It may be a brief comfort to suggest that Hitler burns in Hellfire, that Mengele, after living a long life as a fugitive, died a free man, that Heydrich's torment didn't end with his dying battle against sepsis, but in the end we have to come to terms that nature is unjust and if we want a world in which good folk thrive and wicked folk fail to survive, this is a society and an institution we'll have to create ourselves, from scratch.

And so far, we suck at it.

Better yet, ultimately we should recognize that people who make poor life choices are still surviving the best they could. In a working society, Hitlers and Trumps would not rise to power, and Heydrichs and Himmlers would not be able to exploit the biases of the system to elevate themselves to aristocracy-adjacent positions. In a working society, the only thing to gain with civic power would be the satisfaction of the fulfillment of one's duty to society... and that one gets to direct the movement of mountains and the construction of bridges for the betterment of all the community.

It's boring, but personally I'd rather constrain wars and torture and genocide to the confines of fiction. Make sports news, whether tragic or glorious, great again.

[-] ImADifferentBird 7 points 1 week ago

In other words, there is no justice. There's just us.

It's up to us to make justice a real thing, because there are no cosmic forces that will do it for us.

[-] Burninator05@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

Let's assume god was ok with someone ordering the extermination of an entire group of people. Hitler died by suicide and the last time I checked that was still a no-no.

[-] BanMe@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

The torture, the sex crimes at all levels, reducing humanity to chattel and ash. If there's a god that approves of any of that, I'm staying atheist (in fact, the "problem of justice" is a philosophical argument against god, and that applies very much to the holocaust).

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[-] DarkAri 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

One of the most chilling accounts of the holocaust, is a person describing being ushered on a train, being told, they are being relocated and they will have a hot meal and clothes and blankets when they arrive. The approach a huge hill, with a big line, the guards gleefully telling them they will get hot meals and everything else as soon as they get in, this guard of course was playing a cruel joke. His mind destroyed by the depravity of the Nazis.

Then the victim describes topping the hill to see mass graves and they arrive at a station where a Nazi looks in their mouth to see if they have any gold and silver teeth, and proceeds to yank them out before they get into the camp. That is Adolf Hitler. There is a reason people refer to him as the most evil person. Sure others killed more indirectly, but Hitler killed millions systematically and with intention. Pure hatred and pure depravity and pure existential nihilism.

Other thing these far right psychos were doing, human experimentation, vivisection, (operating on people while they are alive) to do medical experiments. Freezing people to death to see how long it would take frost bite to kill them. Mind control and brainwashing experiments. Testing drugs on them. One of the guys who was operating on living prisoners was named Joseph Mangdeleve. After the war he was sent to the U.S to work with the CIA and eventually ended up in a psychiatric hospital in Canada where he ended up operating on live human test subjects once again. All of this within full knowledge of the entire U.S, U.K, and Canadian government.

When you realize the full history of what the U.S and other right wing governments have been up to, Epstein seems fairly tame in comparison. Epstein is nowhere near the worse person the U.S protected and essentially made into a spy with diplomatic immunity.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

When you refer to Joseph Mangdeleve, are you confusing Josef Mengelev (Nazi doctor, escaped to Argentina, drowned at the beach in 1979) with Ewen Cameron, Scottish doctor involved in MK ULTRA in Canada and the US for the CIA, testing LSD on mental patients?

Cameron wasn't associated with the nazi party, although his experiments were probably inspired by Nazi work including Mengelev, who did do lots of experiments on concerntration camp victims, especially twins.

[-] krunklom@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago

They're also confusing the nazi human experiments with the Japanese unit 731.

Also are they saying that Hitler literally ushered Jews onto trains and escorted them to the death camps?

Like. He's the most evil person in human history but I don't think he was that hands on.

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[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 week ago

Religion, a severe form of mental illness, is the greatest threat humanity faces.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Right?

If I said a flying purple people eater was my lord and savior and that flying purple people eater died for our sins but not before his father, a flying spaghetti monster, instructed an old man to build a space ship that a few humans and two of every animal on the planet (and I guess all the plants too) went on and orbited around the Earth while the flying spaghetti monster supreme being was fucking the surface of the Earth up and then repopulated the planet from space afterward and I went to a pineapple under the sea every Sunday to worship both the flying spaghetti monster and the flying purple people eater, who are actually the same being.....would you say I had a severe form of mental illness?

They walk among us. And they're clinically insane. And a lot of them have guns.

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[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

Call me crazy, but I don't think anything is going to get better in this country until we cancel anti-American propaganda networks on American television.

I've been around long enough to have witnessed Fox "News" and dipshits like Rush Limbaugh cause the current mania we're experiencing.

It really is all on them. It wasn't like this before they showed up.

[-] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Pope Francis went on the record saying he hoped Hell is empty. Torturing even the worst person for all eternity is overkill in my opinion, maybe after 500, 5000, 5 million years of celestial reeducation, if he really put the effort in, Hitler's soul could be free. He's only human and given the absolute worst circumstances and decisions I believe any of us could end up fucking up as bad as him.

FWIW I dont really believe in an afterlife but I do want to believe in universal redemption, as difficult as that can be sometimes.

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[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

All dogs go to heaven and Nazis should be shot like rabid dogs, therefore

[-] DNS@discuss.online 10 points 1 week ago

Well we got roughly 76 million nazi's living in America

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago

If killing six million people doesn’t send you to hell, nothing will.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 15 points 1 week ago

It's well over 6 million, that's just Jewish people.

[-] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago

17 million civilians systematically killed, let alone the military casualties, civilian collateral damage, and starting WWII in the first place.

[-] Laser@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago

He was just lucky there was no right wing podcast bro among them

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[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 14 points 1 week ago

I mean Hitler did kill Hitler, that should count for something about getting into heaven.

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[-] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 12 points 1 week ago

Maybe God wanted to attend to that one personally.

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[-] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago

ANYONE who Opposes Hitler is a TERRORIST!

-Our Government LITERALLY Yesterday!

[-] Likwidkat@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I’m afraid I’ll go to heaven

That’s why I’m hoping that I'm right

My biggest fear ain’t no red Devil

It’s being near you people all the time

I’ll be fine as long as you go somewhere else

https://youtu.be/Epp3PTxzv9g

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth?

Ooh, Heaven could be a place on Earth

They say in Heaven, eugenics comes first

We'll ethically cleanse Heaven until it's just like Earth

Ooh, Burn Down Heaven till it's a place like Earth

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[-] sleen@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

That doesn't sound like it would fly even in the most religious communities.

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