It's not news. My personal date for the start of dictatorship in the United Stated is March 14, 2025: that's the first instance of Trump and his henchmen disobeying a court decision.
I think it was earlier, when the supreme Court ruled that the president could do what he wanted as long as it was part of his duties and THEY get to decide what is part of his duties.
Yes I did say duty. Grow up.
Mans be getting his duties all over the constitution
Thank you for this because I wasn't serious about growing up. Never grow up!
IMO it's the day he took power the second time.
As he said plainly, "I'll be a dictator from day one". And then millions of Americans looked at his record, looked at all the crimes he'd been found guilty of, considered his promise, and voted for him anyway.
Real Darwin Award shit.
I would trace it back to September 11, 2001 at least. Specifically, the highly authoritarian response to that. There's a direct line from what the US government started doing then to what they're doing now.
Yes indeed. Bin Laden can be proud, the terrorists won
1832 called and wants to remind you of Worcester v. Georgia. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Worcester-v-Georgia
They decided to wait and see if Trump won, and if Homan then accepted bribes. It would be a much more airtight case. So the Biden people handed the investigation off to the Trump people, no doubt holding out the vain hope that the career people would persuade the political people that someone taking a bag of cash was something that ought to be investigated.
The fucking ineptitude of the Liberal elites never ceases to amaze me.
They're not inept, they're corrupt
Little bit of column A, little bit of column B
The reality is that the democrats would much rather have a fascist dictatorship, than work in the interest of the people. The answer to "why?" has always, and will always be "money". They sold out the american people to fascists, because openly taking bribes is more important than the lives of minorities.
The democrats have held a trifecta of power twice in the past 15 years, and both times they have managed to do absolutely fuck all. Why? Because they weren't paid to actually do any of the things they promised their voters. They just used those talking points because people would vote for them.
More specifically, because they need to maintain the capitalist status quo that they sincerely believe in (it works for them!), so they believe fascism to be the lesser evil. And they think they can control fascism, just like last time.
I mean, Princeton released a study over a decade that the U.S. was no longer a democracy but an oligarchy. I understand that the author means where descending into authoritarianism, but this didn't start with Trump, and we left democracy behind a long time ago.
The timing is worse than that. The study was only released in 2014, but it used data from 1981-2002, nearly 3 decades ago.
Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens | Perspectives on Politics | Cambridge Core - https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/abs/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B
There was a time when we considered countries where women couldn't vote as a "democracy"
The goal posts shifted. As they should.
In the 21st century, I don't think we can call a system without rank choice voting a democracy. The US has never met modern standards of a Democracy
That eliminates pretty much the entire commonwealth except Australia, right?
I think clinging on to inherited royalty is another big point against "democracy", no matter how vestigial.
In the 21st century, I don't think we can call a system without rank choice voting a democracy. The US has never met modern standards of a Democracy
While I very much hope the goal posts can be shifted that far, I think we haven't quite made it there yet
The US briefly experimented with democracy during Reconstruction but that was quickly defeated and it never happened again.
Correct. The US is now one of those shit hole countries Trump keeps talking about.
Maybe none of these 1st world nations aren't what they say they are. Maybe they are more like farms and they have mastered the psychology to convince people not only to be the workers but also the product. Wealthy people making their product pay for itself to supply their greedy habits.
It has been a uniparty for decades.
No, it hasn't. Both parties are not the same, and saying as such is simply pro republican propaganda
Kamala "Do Not Come" Harris
Joe "Nothing Will Fundamentally Change" Biden
Nancy "Insider Trading is Fine, Actually" Pelosi
They both serve capital first, all the rest is rhetoric to keep you frustrated and bewildered - unable to realize it. You'll spend the rest of eternity focusing on the outrage of the week, blind to the fact that the economics of the day dictate how they steer your thought and energy. When the chips are down, none of them worry about your poor non-capital-having ass.
Yep. This is it. They are minions of money. Genocide? It's profit. That's why neither side cares.
I mean, both parties are objectively crap. One of them is just more objectively crap.
Okay, but you need to admit that one party was Violently Fascist while the other party was merely Controlled Opposition.
I definitely prefer the empty vistage of democracy to the vulgar dismemberment of it. So you need to admit Democrats are better. And then you need to say you voted for them. And donated. And campaigned. And proselytized on their behalf.
Otherwise, I'm going to call you a Russian bot
Democrats lived in denial that they could ride being "the lesser of two evils" forever but eventually as things got worse and worse people started becoming numb to it
Tip to writers.
Please don't use regional persian slang for bribe when trying to sound sophisticated.
This is only news for brain-damaged americans.
Land of the $2-trillion military budget, and the biggest prison population. and in the last two years, your elected policitians sent $30 billions from your taxes to a genocidal aparthied because they represent and serve the interests of another country
Never had been
Was it a democracy when women and people of color couldn't vote?
Was it a democracy when the two party system artificially limited your options in the voting booth?
I don't think it was ever a democracy.
Was it a democracy
Well, yes. Both the ancient forms of governance resembling what we call democracy and the Greek system that gives us the word Democracy typically excluded people to various degrees. Don't take that as a value judgement, I support anything that enfranchises more people, not less but I won't try to redefine words
Yeah the billionaires run that country
The US is a Republic, not a democracy. Here to tell you that. We also are not even in the top 10 most free and democratic countries.
what do you mean, why either or?
there is a bunch of democratic republics
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We're a "republic" with an "electoral" college. We were never a democracy.
Edit: I don't want a direct democracy. I'm not a republican. I'd prefer communism. Fucking fascists.
The electoral college was designed to protect democracy in times when the people's vote was easily swayed due to misinformation. Gerrymandering compromised that. Now we have an orange figurehead dismantling our agencies. Why are people disagreeing?
We're a "republic" with an "electoral" college. We were never a democracy.
Nonsense. That’s the sort of disinformation I see the right trying to spread to defend fascism.
“Democracy” is simply a form of government where the rule or power (kratos) derives from the people (demos). A form where representatives are elected to make decisions is called “representative democracy.”
A “republic” is a form of government that isn’t a monarchy.
We have a representative democratic republic. Our system has its serious flaws, but that doesn’t make it not a democracy.
We don't have a representative democracy.
According to a Princeton study from like a decade ago no major public policy has reflected public opinion since the end of the civil rights era.
If we were a representative democracy then the will of the demos would be reflected in the government and its decisions. But it's just not.
In practice the US has been an oligarchy for at least half a century. I suspect it always has been just with brief interludes when people power breaks through like the civil rights era and the new deal.
Ughh...
Didn't expect this old chestnut to show up on lemmy. Usually people here are better informed.
"Democracy" and "republic" are not mutually exclusive. The US is (well was) both.
Australia is a constitutional monarchy but we're still a democracy.
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