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submitted 1 month ago by cm0002@lemmy.world to c/usa@midwest.social

This is not a moment for dishonesty. Contrary to the hurried efforts of some Democratic leaders to eulogize Charlie Kirk, we don’t need to pretend the far-right activist engaged in earnest politics “across ideology, through spirited debate” as California Gov. Gavin Newsom said in a post on X paying tribute to Kirk.

Kirk, the founder of the far-right movement Turning Points USA, was committed to organizing America’s white young men, from college campus to college campus and beyond, into a politics of revanchist, resentment-fueled, patriarchal white nationalism.

At the time of writing, the person responsible for shooting Kirk has not been apprehended or identified. That didn’t stop Trump from delivering an official address unequivocally blaming the “radical left” for Kirk’s death in the broadest terms possible.

The Trump administration is a weaponization machine; it will transform all manner of things into an ideological arsenal to use against its opposition. Anti-genocide activism is antisemitism; immigrant workers are “the worst” criminals; addressing white supremacy is discrimination; war crimes are peace — all of these fascistic transmutations have become grimly common in the last eight months.

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[-] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 56 points 1 month ago

This was HORRIBLE! Things we're going SO PEACEFULLY before this Assassination! NOW the Right FINALLY Has reason to Declare War on the Left which was NOT Something that was happening BEFORE Charlie Kirk Demonstrated his LOVE for guns!

[-] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

You need the stupid to go along, approval ratings were in the toilet. Sure they were doing shit, but noone liked it, and it's way less than they wanted.

[-] SnotFlickerman 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is literally why I think it was a purposeful hit-job by wannabe Mafia Don-ald.

The shot was too professional and clean for a random lone gunman shooter. A little higher and it would have gone right through the middle of his face.

Further, they conveniently found a weapon which implicates antifi and pro-trans attitudes.

This is a twofer for Trump. They get to put it on Democrats as being the violent ones, and they also get to quickly go down the already-planned road of force-removing guns from the trans community and labeling trans people as mentally ill.

Classic abuse tactics and classic DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender).

Yes, absolutely yes, I think Trump is completely capable and willing to murder one of his own in cold blood to achieve his own personal goals.

I also think the "ineptness" of the FBI is a ploy as well. For a government that is happy to extraordinary rendition it's own citizens over weak suspicions of "not being a legal resident" it doesn't stand to reason that they would just interview the initial suspect and then let him go immediately. They already don't follow the law, why wouldn't they keep the initial suspect locked up long enough to figure out whether their story actually checked out? The tweets that they had someone were to make it look like they're actually trying to find the shooter when they already know the shooter is one of their own while they dream up a patsy to pin it all on.

This act was purpose built to set off the simmering powder keg.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

While I don't discount this as a possibility, I think it's more likely that someone was done with the rhetoric and took actions into their own hands. The alleged writing on the casings also has precedent (see United Health CEO).

With the info released showing where they think the shot came from, that's not a difficult shot to make. I'm not a gun guy, but my brother has a .30-06, same as reported for this, and I helped him dial in his scope at 200 yards. In 4 shots my grouping was within a couple inches, and that's the first time I ever fired that rifle. If someone practiced, hitting a target that wasn't moving from the assumed distance is completely viable.

I'd love if this came out and proved to be a false flag operation, where the shooter is a conservative ordered to make the hit from this administration. I don't think it will, but on top of an already winning situation, that would be the cherry on top.

[-] fodor@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago

It has also been noted that Charlie was unpopular in several far-right circles, too. Many people felt that he wasn't extreme enough, and many of those people own hunting rifles.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

It's always great to see people who actually believe shit I would only expect from a left wing qanon.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Trump did off one of his closest friends so he wouldn't talk.

[-] djsoren19 2 points 1 month ago

The shot was too professional and clean for a random lone gunman shooter.

The missed shot? The one where the gunman got lucky to still hit his target, because the wind could have just as easily blown the shot a little further to the right and missed entirely?

Further, they conveniently found a weapon which implicates antifi and pro-trans attitudes.

Look I get it was convenient, and I dunno why the gunman did it, but I really, really don't want to live in a world where the FBI wrote "notices bulges OwO what's this?" on a bullet in order to implicate leftists. I have to assume they are legitimate.

There's really nothing to indicate this wasn't a legitimate left-wing lone wolf hunting enthusiast that decided they wanted one less breathing Nazi.

[-] breezeblock@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 month ago

100% this. This exactly how they operate and nothing will stop them. There is no moderation or honesty in anything they say or do.

[-] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 month ago

Trump was going to attack the left anyways. Like he does every day.

[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Centrist "You all don't understand! The fascists are going to do something now! Violence is not okay."

Any one with half a brain "Yeah, the fascists ~~were going to do something~~ are doing it regardless."

[-] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago

The fascists were already doing those things.

[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 1 month ago

You are right, so I edited my orginal comment to reflect that.

[-] fodor@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago

Well said.

And to all the centrists out there, please use your brain. The gun nuts never cared about human life. They don't care about school shootings, they don't care about you or me, and they certainly don't care about Charlie's death. He was a useful ally for some of them, but that's all. A used discarded tissue, that's all he means to them now. At most they'll rant for a few days on some podcasts and put him on a poster before forgetting he ever existed.

[-] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 16 points 1 month ago

Right, well, if they want a fight. 🤷‍♂️

[-] zd9@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

I mean... no. Russian bots are pushing all social media platforms towards civil war, and both sides (but the Right especially) are falling for it.

The ultra elite are really doing a great job turning on side on the bottom vs the other side on the bottom. It should be all bottom together vs the small minority on top, not left vs right. However, MAGA is a cult and I don't see them waking up anytime soon, so... make sure you have rations and supplies I guess.

[-] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 12 points 1 month ago

I don’t really see any other solution that would actually happen. the right wing is cleaning house, and the democrats are still wondering how they lost.

No one is doing anything… and if that means a few hundred thousand dead people to get rid of fascism, whatever. Yes, even if it’s me. 🤷‍♂️

It’s a shit situation no matter what.

[-] zd9@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

lol what a keyboard warrior. You have no idea what you're talking about or how bad it can actually get.

[-] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 month ago

How many times did you vote for Trump?

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Not op but I loathe trump and would cheer if he were executed, but I still can see how fucked what you just wrote is.

[-] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 month ago

Do you truly think that fascism is gonna be bucked in the midterm? That somehow we are ever going to recover from this peacefully? Truly tell me what you think is going to happen to this country politically and economically if we stand on the side of the road and express our opinion on a sign.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I think we're fucked 100%. Whatever happens will be awful either way, and I'm not here to wish death and suffering on thousands of people like you psychotically did

[-] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 month ago

No, you are wishing death on around 330 million people. At least the end goal for me is saving us from fascism. Yours is accepting fascism and letting people be killed and tortured in the name of fascism. You are the psycho

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Oh fuck your idiotic words you shove in my mouth. I hate the Internet and I'm starting to realize this platform is just as full of morons as reddit. On here though, the smug self satisfaction and self righteousness is somehow higher. All you have told me is that you aren't a good person but think you are.

[-] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 month ago

Hey bud, you started it. Can’t take it? Don’t comment. IMO, you’re trash. But my opinion is worth about as much as your opinion.

Go back to Reddit if you can’t handle people with salty opinions.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Yes I'm trash because I don't wish for death. If anyone belongs on reddit, it's idiots like you

[-] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 month ago

But you DO wish for it. Doing nothing is letting fascism take hold. How long do you think until they start killing those detainees who aren’t worth the price to deport? You’re pretty self righteous to think that because you don’t ask for death means you’re not complicit.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

“He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it.”

“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.”

[-] zd9@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Look at my post history jabroni.

I sincerely mean this. Please go outside and stay off social media for like 1 week, and see how you feel. You've got internet brainrot.

[-] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 0 points 1 month ago

Why won’t you answer the question?

[-] zd9@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Because you're a sad lonely troll

[-] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 month ago

I’m pretty sure it’s because I was right.

[-] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Nothing Will Stop Trump From Weaponizing Charlie Kirk’s Killing to Attack the Left

The author has never heard of congestive heart failure.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

things are looking kinda strokey

[-] zd9@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

It's a shame none of the 4 open criminal cases or hundreds of lawsuits could get him, but instead it's nature that could end up doing it.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

indeed. would be nice to see him in a prison cell at least once.

[-] Marshezezz 12 points 1 month ago

Coinciding with the decision from the senate to block the Epstein files. He cares about tiny face about as much as we do, probably less

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 month ago

Epstein

which is why many on the subs, says it was assasination by trump as a distraction. also because KirK WAS constantly saying the files should be released.

[-] Subdivide6857@midwest.social 7 points 1 month ago

Where is the left? I’m seeing two right winger parties talking tough while the working class is still being treated like a bunch of mushrooms.

There was a picture of a baby in the Epstein book.

A baby.

A picture of a literal goo goo ga ga baby mixed in with all the not-veiled references to perverse sex stuff

A baby.

How many babies did they rape on that island?

“I swear she said she was 22”

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yup. National Guard deployed everywhere now. Are we taking bets on martial law?

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

The more he abuses his authority over the military, the more likely it is that one of them will act against illegal orders. They are under oath to "defend the constitution from all threats, foreign and domestic" - there isn't a snip after that last but saying "unless the domestic threat is the POTUS".

The past year has shown us that our troops don't actually take that oath very seriously, but they also aren't just mindless stormtroopers. The military is a slice of the rest of society, to include political affiliation and loyalty to our nation. All we need is for a single one of them to recognize Trump as the domestic enemy to the US that he is.

Will it happen? Probably not. It hasn't yet. But the more pressure Trump puts on them to attack their own country, the more likely it is one of them will finally step up to take action.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

The more he abuses his authority over the military, the more likely it is that one of them will act against illegal orders.

That's what he wants, so that he can purge the dissenters before the real bad orders come out.

[-] fodor@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

Deploying the national guard in Utah? Excellent.

[-] Phoenix3875@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

We just learned that there could a thing to stop that.

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago
[-] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

It's a pretty convenient situation to distract his rabid supporters from his pedophilia and history with Jeffrey Epstein.

[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

It was his intention when he ordered it. What I want to know if when we will see the Epstein files.

[-] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I think they might now that it's known that the kid was a groyper.

Still dangerous times. The next one will "act" like they've turned progressive before they start shooting propagandists.

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