Went there to update my password but got reminded what a horrible experience Plex is these days, so deleted my account instead.
Wdym it's like a couple of clicks
They're probably just using some shit browser or something. I had no issues either.
:D
Same lol, using jellyfin now instead
Meanwhile I made a post asking if plex is bad now and most people on it said "no it's great I paid for my lifetime pass years ago and its been the best!" Yeah, we know the truth now.
Jellyfin all the way.
Seems unlikely that this happened. Most people on Lemmy despise Plex and forgive all the shortcomings of Jellyfin
Thats what I thought too. But I posted on ask lemmy, not here.
I'd love to switch. I would do it right now, but the problem is that Jellyfin's security isn't better if you open it up to the internet. For example, I'd have to set up a VPN for my remote users for proper security, and most of my users are in other states, not technically inclined, and watch on their TVs. I'd have to at least support a raspberry pi for them, or some sort of site to site VPN, and if it goes down, I'll be expected to fix it. On top of that, if I do a simple raspberry pi based VPN, it would be made even more complicated since they'd want it to work with their smart TVs.
Again, I really want to switch. But Jellyfin needs to fix their security issues before I can. I'm also happy with the way Plex is reporting this, it's above the standard "your data is lost" notifications.
Edit: here's a link to the related GitHub issue I've been following: https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/5415
And @Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com has a great thread explaining more: https://lemmy.today/comment/18923504
Jellyfin is great... As long as you're the only one who needs to access the server. I've switched to using Jellyfin myself, but I still run Plex for others to access.
I've found that I get a smoother playback experience on Jellyfin, but even outside of potential security issues, there are a still couple of features I miss from Plex.
What are those features?
One was automatic collections, but the plugin for this has since been updated, and the bug I was experiencing has been fixed. The one remaining feature that I'm missing is user ratings for media. On Plex I have automatic collections of movies that I've rated four and five stars, and it's quite useful.
My big complaint with Jellyfin is that their documentation showed a “fast forward” hotkey that convinced me to switch from Plex, and when I started it up it was a misnamed “jump forward five seconds” button instead.
It’s still better for my needs, but I remain angry.
Most of these require some form of random id to exploit, which leaves you either brute forcing ids or brute forcing a user account
Again, its not random. It's not a UUID. Its an md5 hash of the filepath. Which is easily guessable since most people have a very similar if not identical folder structure, especially since a lot have it managed by the *arr suite. take that plus the publicly available release names for movies and you're done
Put your files in a randomly named root folder and it's fixed. Even still, isn't the worst they could do pirating your service?
No, the worst is that a company like Sony or their lawyers can find my server and create a list of movies I offer and then sue me over it. I live in a country where lawyers make a living doing nothing but that.
Besides that, security by obscurity is the worst possible form and barely qualifies as security at all. It's also another place where the Jellyfin devs leave their users to their own devices when it comes to securing the server against malicious actors.
And none of this is clearly communicated by the project. The unauthenticated endpoints are not disclosed, the issues with the filepath is not disclosed. Jellyfin fans treat it as a drop in replacement for Plex, but people using it as such basically throw an unauthenticated server onto the open web
Besides that, security by obscurity is the worst possible form and barely qualifies as security at all.
In fact security by obscurity is not security at all. In this case it should be authenticated or to the very least to actually use a random string like a uuid. But, changing the root path does prevent it from exploiting. Not perfect but a temporary solution.
It's also another place where the Jellyfin devs leave their users to their own devices when it comes to securing the server against malicious actors.
Another place? What else? You mean setting up you own server? That is in fact your responsibility.
I live in a country where making copies of movies and having them for private consumption isn't illegal.
I wouldn't blame the Jellyfin devs for this situation, they inherited a lot of bad code from Emby and are still cleaning it up.
I mean, that's fine, but it's still an issue and a risk that would cause me to want to use VPN for remote viewing. It doesn't seem like security is Jellyfin's priority at the moment, not that it's Plex's either, but it's not to a place where it's worth it to switch from a security standpoint, personally.
Plex has a whole team dedicated to security. It's obviously not perfect and it is a larger attack surface than Jellyfin, but I'll take that any day over devs who treat security as an afterthought
You mean the security team that got pwned here?
Still better to have a team to react to this incident than just have them shrug and ignore it for 5 years
What about the pwned users of Jellyfin that have unknowingly had security holes for 5 years because Jellyfin doesn't care enough to even put a banner in their settings to say it's not secure?
Thank you for that issues link. I keep trying jellyfin every now and then and I run into issues with general bugginess so I haven't been able to switch. Seeing that it's kinda full of security holes makes me even more reticent.
This is the same reason I haven’t switched. My parents use it to watch the local OTA channels and I have zero intention of supporting a site to site VPN on their home network and multiple mobile devices.
Leave Plex
alone!
Even is plex is "bad" now, it's still years ahead of jellyfin.
Plex hasn't been getting better, but it still does what I need. I have a lifetime pass from years ago. If I was starting today I would be a lot less inclined to pay for Plex though. They keep adding things I don't want.
Glad I started out with Jellyfin
I mean, jellyfin is absolutely even.more of a security nightmare than Plex, with multiple unfixed CVEs IIRC (software, not website or forum)
I use jellyfin also, but I only trust it not exposed to the internet at all. That is one very big area of improvement for them.
That and subtitle syncing.
I am curious as to why people thing Plex is self hosting if Plex can change how your server functions? I have never personally considered it self hosting but do others still think it is?
Yes. It’s running on my server. That I host.
Because you are hosting the server software on your own hardware. That's literally self-hosting. Plex provides a way to remotely access your server through their own network as well, which is optional.
The problem with Plex is it isn't fully hosted. Plex controls user passwords. You can't use it without logging into their servers.
On a side note: you can remotely access any service running on home network via Tailscale[1] / Cloudflare Tunnel. Your services are never exposed on Internet. Moreover, you don't need to rely on Plex for that.
[1] https://tailscale.com/ [2] https://developers.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-one/connections/connect-networks/
Tailscale is going public, so I don't really trust them anymore. I used Cloudflare tunnels for a while, but I strongly dislike being dependent on them for accessing my own network, and I don't like how they recently clamped down on "anti-piracy". There are some legitimate sites I still can't access (dirtbike parts and whatnot) because Cloudflare straight up blocks access to them.
By your logic the *arr suite isn't self hosted either since they rely on metadata cache servers.
In fact Jellyfin relies on external services for their metadata too!
Even though there are some cloud services like remote server management, proxies, and 3rd party integration, I do actually have to run the software myself on my hardware. Hence, self hosted.
How is that any different than any other software package? Unless you're coding it yourself, things can be changed without your permission.
I dropped it in favor of Jellyfin some time back, but this was a good excuse to go ahead and delete my family's accounts.
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