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[-] squirrel 130 points 3 weeks ago

After years of giving a platform to climate change denialism, transphobic fearmongering, pearl clutching over too much woke at liberal colleges, both-sideing the efficacy of vaccines and indulging in Covid conspiracy nonsense, the NYT has finally achieved its goal.

[-] tburkhol@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

It's time for America's Great Leap Forward.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

And a great big dollop of Lysenkoism 2.0.

[-] tburkhol@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

I used to wonder how Lysenko pulled all of that off. Like, they were backward days in a backward country, and the whole world was still just kind of getting the hang of science. But now, here's RFK Jr who doesn't even believe in germs, filling our science administration with lackeys, half the country cheering him on, and I'm thinking that university grant departments are going to be getting Political Officers soon.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

It was all politics, just as it is now. People already very much knew how to conduct proper scientific endeavors, but the Communist Party wasn't going to do anything so "bourgeois" as practice actual science.

I've long thought of Republicans talking about "true conservatism" sounding almost exactly like the Communists in their delusions, now we see the culmination of their ridiculous ideology and their efforts to inflict it on everyone else.

They now have their very own Lysenko. Hopefully it doesn't get to the execution of Bobby Brainworm's opponents:

The official support emboldened Lysenko and gave him and Prezent free rein to slander any geneticists who still spoke out against him. After Lysenko became head of the Soviet Academy of Agricultural Sciences, classical genetics began to be called "fascist science"[28] and many of Lysenkoism's opponents, such as his former mentor Nikolai Ivanovich Vavilov, were imprisoned or executed, although not on Lysenko's personal orders.[29][22]

The sheer insanity did not confine itself to only genetics, either. Keep in mind this was in the mid-20th century, FFS. Killing who knows how many millions as a result...

[-] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago

half the country cheering him on

Half seems like a vast overestimation. Most of the people around me are checked out and get uncomfortable when politics comes up. Go strike up a conversation with a stranger, ask them about current events and what they think is going wrong. More than any other thing happening, the price of groceries is what's actually on their mind.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

Kennedism is the new Lysenkoism

[-] psoul@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

What a perfect moment as we are at the edge of a cliff

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 76 points 3 weeks ago

Its not in danger or peril, its already dead. China is already the leader.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 54 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, but we got to own the libs. Are we not "great", again?

Also, outlets like the New York Fucking Times get to pretend to just float above it all, being "objective" in their reporting, because - say it with me - "both sides".

[-] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 17 points 3 weeks ago

We definitely are something again. The hate for the mere mention of "progressive" in this country is baffling. Like a toddler that doesn't want to grow up.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

It's especially stupid because we tend to poll progressive on the issues. And yet we keep getting regressive policy.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 53 points 3 weeks ago

And the NY Times helped. Carrying water for war criminals lost the dems the election. Heck of a job, NY Times.

[-] plant_sorceress_420@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

the dems are very capable of losing an election on their own

[-] boaratio@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

The paper of record.

[-] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 51 points 3 weeks ago

A healthy, well educated population which feels safe and secure is incompatible with, and toxic to, conservative and authoritarian ideologies.

They need you to be sick, stupid, and scared.

[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 51 points 3 weeks ago

America is likely unique among superpowers, as it is INTENTIONALLY trying to commit suicide. Other empires throughout time died from disaster, neglect, and "fuck that guy", but never quite in this fashion.

America has no reasonable excuse for what it did to itself, and will be a case study for millennia to come.

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 weeks ago

Millennia seems wildly optimistic on this trajectory

[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 39 points 3 weeks ago

Well the country was colonized by religious nutjobs that didn't like the rise of intellectualism and enlightenment in Europe so this is rather more of a return to form.

[-] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 10 points 3 weeks ago

That is a gross simplification. We're the first people here great people? Absolutely not! But to boil them down to one zinger is very dishonest, at best. And remind me what was going down in Europe around that time? Oh, the church was murdering people that didn't prescribe to their very specific belief structure, including scholars?

Here's some good key words for you to try searching the next time you're making shit up about that time period.

Hasbergs

Fredrick V

Matthias

[-] prole 11 points 3 weeks ago

The "first people here" were the natives we massacred

[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

To be fair the pilgrims were offered sanctuary in other countries first and then got mad that everyone wasn't exactly like them. That said a lot of the other initial colonizers were people being outright evicted from their home countries for non-religious reasons.

[-] Rothe@piefed.social 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Hasbergs

Habsburgs?

Fredrick V

Who? There were lots of European monarchs of that name and number

Matthias

Who? It's a pretty common name.

[-] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

You're right. They were also a bunch of genocidal hypocrites who, "believed all men were created equal" yet enslaved multiple continents while raping their way across it

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

who, "believed all men were created equal"

Who claimed to believe...

[-] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 36 points 3 weeks ago

This story is brought to you by the NYT in more ways than one.

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

Guess we have to recommend kids who want to do real science in their future to learn Chinese or Korean.

[-] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Yes we will destroy ourselves, but think of all the libs that will be owned!

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

joyous imaginative freedom.

That's what Americans have had in general for a long time. They think they are free, because they've been indoctrinated to think that, but compared to better democracies, they really aren't.

[-] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

Which democracies do you have in mind? For many it could be argued that they are American vassals. That doesn't leave too much freedom for their populations who thus must be indoctrinated even more.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

That claim is just moronic, maybe you are just using words you don't really know what mean. Warsaw pact countries were Soviet vassals, where Russia intervened militarily if they didn't behave or the people demanded democracy.
There has been no American military intervention to make democratic allies behave.
Any NATO country is free to leave, and all western countries have democratically elected governments, and better democracy than USA.
IDK what kind of delusion you are under, but to claim free democracies are vassals of USA is delusional.
Currently many allies are actually politically pulling away from USA now, because USA is unreliable.
More than half of a century of Pax Americana is at an end, but allies that used to allow USA to be the leader is not the same as being a vassal, for instance several European countries did not agree with USA on Iraq, and did not participate in the invasion. Comparing voluntary cooperation by democratically elected governments with being a vassal is so ignorant I'm kind of at a loss for words.
USA has exited many international organizations and agreements, while these are continued by former allied participants, and many former allies are working around USA now to achieve their political goals because USA does not share those goals anymore.

It's particularly funny you make this claim now, after it's proven that USA trying to pressure allies into submission clearly isn't working, and has the direct opposite effect.
And finally in other countries there is nothing at all like the American propaganda about being free as by far the most important goal. On the contrary it's much more about general quality of a society for all, which despite freedom not being the main goal, has resulted in greater freedom than USA has, because freedom is recognized as a human right that must be considered in how we regulate!

[-] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There has been no American military intervention to make democratic allies

Because it was not necessary. Look at South America for what would have happened if people would end the dependency.

It’s particularly funny you make this claim now, after it’s proven that USA trying to pressure allies into submission clearly isn’t working

Tariffs, 4% military spending. What does not work?

[-] prole 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You think tariffs are working? Lol ok troll.

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[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Look at South America

Bullshit, Venezuela is a major pain in the ass for USA, and on top of that has lots of oil, and yet USA hasn't invaded them. Despite being ruled by an insane dictator with no public support, but under the guise of Socialism.

Trump wanted 2% for NATO, but now most of Europe has decided to go to 3.5% - 5.0% because total independence from USA is the goal now.
European politicians are even saying it out loud, there is no secret about it.
Also USA is selling FEWER weapons to Europe, and American weapons stock values are declining while Europe is skyrocketing. The only thing keeping US weapons exports from plummeting totally, is that Europe is buying weapons from USA for Ukraine. While we are building our own production.

You are delusional if you think anything you state shows that allied democracies are vassals of USA. As I stated before, we had lots of agreements on how to do things, because we were friends and allies, that does not make us vassals. Also there were clear benefits to both sides and smaller allies too under the old agreements. That's not how it works with vassal states.
Now USA is pulling away from these agreements, and there is cost from that on both sides.
But still that doesn't make anyone a practical vassal of USA.

You show NOTHING factual to support your claim, because you have no idea what you are talking about.
You are only parroting old communist and current Russian propaganda, that even former communist states don't believe anymore.

[-] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 3 weeks ago

There is more to South America than Venezuela, and Venezuela isn't over. There was an attempt at the last election and there were war ships last week.

Trump wanted 2% for NATO, but now most of Europe has decided to go to 3.5% - 5.0% because total independence from USA is the goal.

USA got what they wanted and you feel good about it. What more to ask for?

All because Trump is controlled by Putin. That's propaganda. USA provides the supreme commander for Nato and nobody is questioning that command structure for the war against Russia.

Most likely the EU will not push their social network law so US companies will keep deciding what Europeans read.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Some of those things are true, or at least partially true.
But NOTHING you state shows allied democracies are vassals of USA, and Europe is already working on a defense that doesn't depend on NATO.
Regarding USA being the commander for NATO forces, what other command structure would you suggest?
But apart from that USA is unlikely to be allowed that position for much longer. Trump wanted to destroy NATO and he basically has. But all other NATO countries than USA are still allies, and there are works in progress of EU/Canada and many eastern countries like Japan and Australia building a new alliance.
USA has chosen to go it alone, but everyone else is working on continuing international cooperation to everyone's benefit. On trade, on climate and on defense.
Clear proof that USA never had vassal states, but actually free allies.

[-] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 3 weeks ago

what other command structure would you suggest?

An American commander doesn't make sense if Trump works for Russia. I don't believe that so everything can continue as is.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Oh so you were just throwing garbage at the wall. It's not like you have any alternative. 👎

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[-] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

I didn't have this on my bingo card when i was growing up. I was told we were the science superpower and the best country in the world.

Now you realize they were all lies.

[-] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

"We'll show all those pointy headed smarty pants who's boss!! We're taking over!"

-- MAGA mouth breathers

[-] Arancello@aussie.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago

I think united states is envious of chairman Mao and wants to have their own cultural revolution too. Already had the military parade that outshone that of President Xi. Now have to outdo him in killing academics and intellectuals.

[-] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

I think they view the downsides as temporary pain to achieve an end goal, which is an ethnostate for white people. Their philosophy hasn't been under the table at all, they say societies which benefit only one race (and obviously falsely, one set of beliefs), are better than those which have internal strife. All of this is laughable, since Israel has achieved as close to an ethnostate as we've seen, and yet they're unsustainable.

These people have failed upwards their entire lives, so they all feel confident that in the event of failure, they have the capital to smash and grab before the end using insider information. They're the worst humans on earth.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

We haven't been a scientific super power since the space race. The shuttle program was cool, but we even abandoned that.

[-] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

Pish posh you and your writey stick. We, the scientists are just as good as sciencing as we ever have been. (More money please)

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