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That's what he gets for being a lying idiot nazi prick.
Tesla also makes inferior cars. Tesla also has a big unneeded tv in the car. Tesla car is a kind of an early access with their bugfix patching. Teslas' main product is also your data.
Tesla cars were a very good prospect until pretty much this year. Most people are fine with everything being on a big dumb screen instead of having proper buttons (even though it's a usability and safety nightmare) and once you get past that, they're comfortable and practical - and well-priced compared to the non-Chinese competition.
But now, Elon outed himself as an actual Nazi, and took away proper indicators and gear selectors.
Don't most them don't have a mechanical way to open the door? Like if the battery dies or there is a software glitch you legit can't open the fucking door. Ppl have literally died cause their shit ass doors only unlock electrically.
The normal way to open the door is with a button that cracks the window slightly, because the door does not contain an upper window frame for aesthetic reasons. However, there is a mechanical release.
What you will be thinking of is that on some models (I can't remember which exactly) the mechanical release for the rear doors is not in an obvious place, so if you need to get out in a hurry, u gon die.
This is obviously moronic design and risks lives for no practical benefit, but most people don't base their purchasing decisions based on what might go wrong in a tiny number of crashes. You could compare it to a decision to buy a luxury car rather than a normal one: that's tens of thousands of currency units that you could set aside to retire a year early, or in case you or some close to you hits bad luck. The practical choice is to buy the normal car (or the non-Tesla), but the likelihood that it will be important is very small, so it's not really crazy to make the non-practical choice.
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Tesla also has a big unneeded tv in the car
I used to think the same, before I bought a (non-Tesla) EV myself. It's very convenient to have some entertainment other than your phone during charging stops.
It would be nice if there were some thought into charging stops. Like I want a halfway decent sandwich and a coffee while I'm here. Usually, all I get is the far end of a Walmart parking lot. If there's anything in walking distance at all, it's probably across a stroad with no pedestrian signals.
Oddly enough, EVs are better in walkable cities.
Everything is better in walkable cities
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The problem is actuarial data that shows Teslas have more frontal collisions which is because of the screen which is on track to being banned in EU. The second problem is the brittle cast aluminum frame shit out of Giga presses that makes most collisions a right off. Hence very high insurance costs on the Teslur.
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Elon is a BYD marketing asset
I kinda wish Elon was a Chinese agent and Trump was really a Russian agent. It would make more sense at least.
But instead we have two people making the exact same decisions that a state agent would do to sabotage the US and it's industries but it's all because of their absolute incompetence instead. Which is far less exciting and far more pathetic.
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I haven’t bought anything from a USA company since Trump being his second term. I canceled Amazon prime. I sought out UK and EU suppliers for all my products and services. Installed Linux (German based distro, sorry fedora) closed my social media apart from lemmy and migrated my emails to an EU service. Oh and bought a Chinese made electric Dacia. You can do it, it wasn’t even hard.
It is an incredible self-own for the USA that won't really be felt for a few years at least. To abandon research and future markets tech like electric vehicles and green energy, and to abandon them at the exact time China goes all in on it? Are they trying to put themselves in a position of irrelevance? Because that's exactly what I'd do if that's what I wanted.
I guess they really are. Much of the decisions are based on what TikTok tells people to think. Facebook allows for Russian influence, TikTok is steered from Beijing.
The idea of "USA shouldn't make electric cars" dies come from China, and exists precisely in order to put USA into disadvantage.
Hey, gotta focus on fascism first
Yes. Trump is Putin’s puppet and does anything he says.
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I will buy neither.
BYD is selling a lot because is subsidized heavily by the chinese government to disrupt european brands, and this despite having a 35% tariff on top for not disclosing this to the EU.
BYD is hiding $44B in debt. Chinese EV industry is eating itself and is the next Evergrande. They are losing money on every sale.
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Every country subsidizes it's major industries like that. Also, this is public knowledge. China isn't secretly hiding their state ownership and subsidies.
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Who are the losers that still buy a Tesla in Europe?
Did he really think Europe would like his Elon Hitler salute?
That's only a part of the reason. Europe now has 12 models of EVs at €25,000 that by every measure, are better.
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I tried to drive a model 3 and it was infuriating to have everything on touch including turn indicators, windshield wipers and especially the gear selector.
Then a huge screen that can't be used with your phone so you're still forced to use a phone holder like a decade ago.
For me a car without carplay/android auto loses $5000 in value, and "touchscreen everything" removes another $5000 in value. I could only accept those compromises in a $20k car if new, $10k if used
Wait what?? I knew they overused terrible touch screen controls.. But you can't even connect your phone properly?
A lot of engineers are obsessed with touchscreen everything because sci-fi from the 70s to 90s was obsessed with that shit, so they became obsessed with it.
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Good. May they fall another 40% in 2026. Fuck that company.
Gee do you need to be a wizard to figure out aligning yourself with idiot right wingers wasn't a good business decision when your entire business appeal is about being a good person and saving the planet
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The article mentions the reputational damage with a half-sentence, but we all know the main reason no one wants to buy a swasticar is. Europeans have quite the attention span, and as long as Elon is associated with Tesla - which is pretty forever - their brand is poison. Not very truthful journalism, this is.
Not sure if Chinese EVs are improvement...
Over Tesla I'd say they are.
BYD are not the best, but they are comfortable and cheap and charge fast.
MG has probably the cheapest BEV that is actually a decent car with good range.
Xpeng has insanely well equipped luxury cars, BMW luxury at VW prices.
Nio has the battery swap that is insanely fast, a battery swap is faster then even BYD 1 GW charging.
There are so many more options, and all of them beat Tesla in some way or other.
If you want a better Tesla than a Tesla, you can get a VW instead of model 3 and model Y, or BMW or Mercedes instead of model S.
And none of the above cars will nearly as likely kill you as a Tesla might.
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Old and busted vs new hotness
Honestly, the only reason Western EV makers are still in business is thanks to trade barriers with China.
And the only reason Chinese cars are so cheap is because of massive subsidies all throughout the supply chain.
Edit: If you're going to spout whataboutisms, provide proof. Because for all intents and purposes, European manufacturers aren't nearly as subsidized as you think they are. Also note I stated "throughout the supply chain", which is far more substantial than a discount on buying an electric vehicle.
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It's because people are waiting for the new model Y. 🤣🤣🤣
t’s not only Tesla feeling the heat from Chinese competition. Jeep owner Stellantis, South Korea’s Hyundai Group and Japan’s Toyota and Suzuki, all posted year-on-year declines in European new car registrations in July.
Japan has generally been really underwhelming in the EV market, offering mostly Hybrids. While I hear Hyundai is cheap in USA, that is not really the case in EU, a Huyndai is as expensive as a VW. Stellantis is a crap show, they continuously offer too little too late and overcharge for it.
By contrast, Volkswagen, BMW and Renault Group, were among those that logged increases in new European car registrations across the month.
VW group is really killing it here in Denmark 7 out of top 10 most sold models are from VW group here, and I think in most of EU it's mostly similar, because they offer cars with a very strong combination of range quality and attractive price.
VW has the lowest rate of errors at German mandatory biannual safety check published by TÜV, with for instance Tesla failing 7 times more often, With nearly 15% failure rate!!
In Denmark it's even worse for Tesla with 30% of model 3 failing after 4 years!!! (first mandatory check) And Tesla even rejecting repair under warranty.
The faults aren't minor either, they are serious faults in brakes, suspension and steering! No other brand is nearly is bad as Tesla in safety checks! The average rate is 11% so Tesla is about 3 times worse than average!!
https://fdm.dk/nyheder/nyt-om-biler/2025-01-populaer-tesla-model-dumper-med-et-brag-til-syn
It's so bizarre to me that Toyota in particular isn't a bigger player in the EV market after they were the first to get a mass market hybrid going. They were halfway there before anyone else, why'd they stumble so badly?
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I don't get how US stock market pretends China isn't bringing global competitors.
BYD is taking a huge market share on the EV, Temu takes a big market share on e-commerce but both Tesla and Amazon keep growing
BYD blows Tesla out of the water
To be fair, a 1986 Toyota Camry blows Tesla out of the water.
Hey, Tesla is a champion in some categories.
Like you're statistically more likely to die burning to death in a Tesla Cybertruck than a Ford Pinto. That's a record that has been held for 45 years.
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And this is on top of BYD being pieces of shit themselves. And their cars too
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