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[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 66 points 1 month ago

Unfortunately, Democrats (see: CA, WA) have been straight up banning guns instead of focusing on safe ownership.

Regardless of your political affiliation, you should be very concerned about the federal government using official state militias (Nat Guard) against the states and questioning straight gun bans.

The federal government should step in for state overreach, and the state government should step in for federal overreach. If the federal government is co-opting the state militia (and while some states have non-National Guard militias, some don’t), what’s the purpose of the second amendment?

[-] Dragomus@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

There should be extra concern by now that Trump wants to "recruit external people to assist law enforcement" ...
Effectually he's raising his own separate militia so he can put them in action anywhere he wants and not be limited by the law where the Military/National Guard can not be used on American soil.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 month ago

The law isn’t exactly stopping him now

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago

Right. And no one has raised their own militia to start the civil war. So guns or no guns, what’s the difference?

Also would be nice if people in the military didn’t follow illegal orders, like they are supposed to do. And turned their command on those issuing the illegal orders. Should take some notes from South Korea when they had that thing like a year ago with their president.

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[-] Saleh@feddit.org 21 points 1 month ago

I used to oppose private weapon ownership over the time i have come to see that it is indeed an important tool to defend against totalitarian takeovers.

It is by no means a sufficient tool by itself, and people can manage to overcome a totalitarian government without in some historical examples, but often this meant a lot of bloodshed and ultimately gaining weapons through overrunning police/military sites or defecting army units.

[-] ClownStatue@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago

Sources for gun bans passing?

[-] Guidy@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

https://www.atg.wa.gov/firearms

I legally own and possess one or more firearms that I cannot sell or buy more of in Washington State due to changes in the law in the past five years. They “grandfather” you when they write these laws because they know it causes less uproar when they blatantly violate the Constitution. Which means all those guns are still around.

I vote Democrat because I’m not a Nazi but sometimes they make it hard, like when over half of ALL gun deaths in the US are from suicide (sOuRCe: gunviolencearchive.org) and all they can come up with is ban, ban, ban, and they just don’t give a shit that all those people wanted to die and maybe we should be trying to help people want to be alive.

Meanwhile, suicide by gun doesn’t require an assault rifle or a standard capacity magazine to accomplish. They don’t care about that, either, even though it literally accounts for most gun deaths.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I suppose a handgun ban and gun buy back program would reduce suicide deaths considerably. You down?

[-] grue@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

You know what would actually reduce suicide deaths? Economic reforms to stop the spiraling inequality and rise of oligarchs that makes working-class people despair in the first place. But that's the one thing the Democrats appear absolutely Hell-bent on withholding from us.

How about people STFU about guns and start being down with that instead?

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

We lose 50k plus people to gun violence every year. That is close to a million Americans dead in the last twenty years. It is now the number one killer of children.

This doesn't even take into consideration all the wounding, threats, violence, rape, etc. that is perpetrated because of easy access to guns.

Providing mental health service at no cost would be a great way to handle suicide, but it would still not solve the actual gun problem.

Providing better economical distribution and opportunities would improve crime rates, but it would not solve the problem of gun proliferation.

So you don't really have an answer other than clutching your guns.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

WTF is the point of even replying if you're going to ignore every single thing I wrote?

Providing mental health service at no cost would be a great way to handle suicide, but it would still not solve the actual gun problem.

This is the most ass-backwards hot take I've ever read. "Addressing the root cause of the problem would not solve the problem; we must myopically focus on a symptom of it!"

Tools are not the problem -- they can't be, by definition, as they are inanimate objects with no agency. The violence itself is the problem! How are you failing to comprehend that?

Edit: I think I've figured out how to explain it in a way you people might understand: arguing that access to guns makes people kill is exactly like arguing that women wearing sexy clothes makes people rape. Your argument really is just the liberal counterpart to that sort of right-wing nonsense, and equally defective.

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[-] kuhli@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You know what else would considerably reduce suicides? Universal mental health care

It'd be more effective too by actually addressing the root of the problem instead of just putting a bandaid on it

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[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago
[-] ClownStatue@piefed.social 9 points 1 month ago

Ok. You mean the ban of specific guns or types of guns. I do agree that assault weapons bans are troublesome, mostly because the people deciding what makes a gun an “assault” weapon don’t really know what they’re talking about. That said, I do think there are weapons that the average person should absolutely not be able to purchase. At least, not without formal training. Beyond this, guns in general are still available, and if legislatures pass these kinds of laws, they can be rescinded with the next election if the population wants that. While it’s not ideal for gun enthusiasts, it’s not like they don’t have all sorts of alternative options.

[-] sad_detective_man@leminal.space 6 points 1 month ago

if the police can legally use a weapon on my dog, I shouldn't be barred by any laws from owning that weapon too. this is the wrong direction to approach gun violence from

[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Don't wanna be a conspiracy theorist, wouldn't it be a genious idea to split the oligarchy party into seemingly two distinct parties, with one side arming racist hillbillies and using propaganda to control them, the other disarming minorities and anyone left-of-center. Gun control is propaganda.

"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary"

-Karl Marx

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

What’s safe ownership and how can Democrats advance it legislatively?

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[-] sad_detective_man@leminal.space 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Liberals using a mental health crisis and late stage capitalism to be like:

[-] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Nah, I'd rather not be toothless when fascists knock on my door to take my family to a camp because I protest and help LGBTQ people with gun safety and survival training.

I don't understand how you people think asking politely to MAGA or racists or fascists for your right to exist is the to go about this. This is how we are here in the first place; they don't respect you and prefer you to be incapable of fighting back

[-] wheezy@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

I've gotten to this point too. One thing that frustrates me to no end is the liberal commentators I hear "pointing" to things. Admitting that fascist policies are taking over. Admitting we don't have any rights anymore.

But none of them have the balls to actually say what the only means of resistance is now.

Hell, they don't have to even say it directly. But they should be screaming about what DOESN'T work.

The time for non violent protests and voting are at an end in terms of their effectiveness. The purpose of non violent protests and supporting left wing candidates now is not hoping those will "bring us back". We are not going back peacefully. The purpose of them is to bring about organization and class conciseness.

Maybe it's what "libs" need to hear to try to get them out doing something. Maybe they aren't ready for reality. But I just don't think we can afford people thinking that the system that existed before can be restored. And it shouldn't be restored. It's the system that got us here.

[-] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

Faux News: "Terrorist with mental issues shot dead in their home after pointing weapon at officers."

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hey @miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com, you forgot to include:

  • Fatal automobile accidents
  • Bullying
  • Child abuse
  • Food poisoning
  • Diseases
  • Cops
  • Stress
  • Work-place accidents
  • Indoctrination
  • Knives
  • Ropes
  • Parks
  • Toilets
  • Sinks
  • Lockers
  • Bleach
  • Floor Degreaser
  • Printers
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[-] gilbert31@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Accidental drowning is one of the main causes of death for children.

  • More children ages 1-4 die from drowning than any other cause of death.
  • Drowning is the second leading cause of unintentional injury death for children ages 5-14.
  • Every year in the United States there are over 4,000 unintentional drowning deaths. (An average of 4,345 unintentional drowning deaths occurred each year from 2018–2021)
[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

I hate that you have to specify “unintentional”

[-] Harvey656@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
  • chatgpt (seriously why)
  • dolphin rape
  • being a billionaire with a submarine
  • being a ceo
  • falls
  • falling boulders (I know of at least one that happened.)
  • tripping over your oxygen cable.
[-] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If only gun safety legistlation wasn't invariably gun ban legislation. No thanks Democrats, I'm trying to actually survive fascism, not do everything in my power to be completely defenseless against it.

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[-] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Are there stats for kids killed by these monstrous pick ups? Dodge Ram, hummers etc

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I don't know about lifted pickups in general, but the NHTSA recorded that there were 39,345 traffic fatalities in the US in 2024. So OP's chart is missing a few lines.

  • Traffic Deaths: 39,345 (in 2024)
  • Killed By Police: 1,365 (recorded in 2024)
  • Medical Malpractice Deaths: 250,000 (estimated annual)
  • Preventable Deaths due to Illness: 44,000 (lowerbound annual estimate)
  • Malnutrition Deaths: 6,762 (in 2022)

So, yeah. Our politicians, capitalist overlords, and a fucked up for-profit medical system are killing us all either by inches or just outright, at the rate of a combined hundreds of thousands per year. But ermahgerd, gunz!!!

[-] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago

But they need their guns in case a fascist government takes over and becomes a police state threatening to take away their rights and liberties.

Waitaminute...

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[-] Wilco@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 month ago

What's killing our children?

A slave economy that stresses everyone and drives them to hopelessness. A carefully engineered school to prison pipeline. A broken culture that encourages anyone with the slightest bit of authority to mercilessly persecute those below them while ignoring any crimes committed by those above.

We have had guns for hundreds of years, guns aren't the problem ... hopelessness and aiming them at the wrong people is.

[-] 0li0li@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

10 a day? Holy shit!

[-] PyroNeurosis 7 points 1 month ago

It's an extremely round number for a post with no attributed source.

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

in 2022 it was 2,526, so closer to 7 per day.

We really only see reporting on it when it's a school and white children are involved. Things that make you go "Hmnn."

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/guns-remain-leading-cause-of-death-for-children-and-teens

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/guns-remain-leading-cause-of-death-for-children-and-teens

I don't know 2024 rates but in 2022 it was about 7 per day.

What makes us blind to these numbers is that black children are 18 times more likely to be a victim of gun violence. Inner-city gang violence and relics of segregation are still with us, and the media doesn't report it as an issue because it's just "expected" that there are black kids shooting each other in cities. That way we don't have to do anything.

I mean, who else is gonna fill our for-profit prisons? Gotta have a hopeless segment of the population!

[-] dandelion 7 points 1 month ago

I suspect a conservative might believe that the "gay lifestyle" kills people through AIDS, and probably believe trans people are groomed and their suicides are a result of that, so they might view LGBTQ+ rights as leading to deaths, if I had to guess

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah. And they probably view guns as a way of protecting children, too.

I see a lot of posts that just completely don't understand the conservative mindset at all, and imagine that explaining things to them like one would explain things to a leftist is going to work. There's just too much inferential distance for memes like this. Sigh :/

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[-] D_C@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

But..but ... but they need those guns just in case a weirdo tries to take over the government.
Or if a pants shitting reality TV 'star' goes full revenge mode when he becomes president.
Or if a child rapist, who is also a Russian asset, but who's also the best friend to a proven and convicted human trafficking paedo blackmailer strolls in and overtakes the Whitehouse and takes his KKK mask off and hops in to being a full on fascist dictator!

If any of the above ever happened you'll be glad that the Gravy Seals™ had all those guns to stop it all.
Not that the above could ever happen. Imagine that, imagine if one of those things ever happened? Wow, Impossible!! Just impossible.
...hey, wait a minute!!!!

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

US gun deaths vs. other high income countries

https://everytownresearch.org/report/gun-violence-in-america/

Hmm, what could it be?

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[-] BigDiction@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

If you extrapolate from FBI data, 90%+ of gun deaths come from handguns. Banning handguns is a hopeless endeavor - there are two Supreme Court cases from 2008 and 2010 that effectively cement handgun ownership as a constitutional right.

You could try a couple pages out of the California playbook with the handgun roster and ammo background checks to make getting them and using them kind of a pain in the ass.

I honestly don’t know what you do otherwise to make dent otherwise.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

In Japan there was zero child deaths by guns. They have a little less than half the population of the US but none of the gun deaths.

[-] deacon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Because those issues are about protecting the status quo power structure, not about protecting kids.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Sadly, no they do not.

There is no consequence for supporting accountability-free gun purchases and ownership, even after Uvalde, where all of the politicians involved were re-elected.

[-] hazardous_area@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Welcome to the comments: Here you’ll find

  • various reasons it’s important Americans have guns (yet to see that armed resistance)
  • discussion about out all the other stuff killing American kids
  • at the bottom relevant stats from other countries without widespread firearm ownership
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