I think it’s more like the people who say things like “I’ll never vote for a transphobe like Gavin Newsom” when that makes you a Republican.
That obviously does not make you a Republican
Hillary Clinton was up 17 points two years out, there's plenty of time to fuck this up
if Burnie succeeded in anything, it's getting the party to at least pretend to be leftist on paper occasionally. accepting the top candidate before the primary is a mistake. make them earn your vote.
Libs are too chicken shit to do that. They'd rather just harass anyone with the mindset of "earn my vote or you don't get it".
Sidenote: Does anyone else feel like people are coping hard trying to pretend the country and system is as normal as ever? Like keeping their heads in their work or schooling. Or something else they can dive into. Instead of facing the broken-ness? Or is that just me?
Head in the sand. They've had it there since the election. If they just weather the next 3 and a half years, everyone will join together and just vote to fix it and our benovalent left will step in to selflessly serve us, unwind all this mess and make sure it can never happen again.
They don't realize that this will be the point in history they look back at hundreds of years from now and try to figure out what happened. UK is going nuts, EU is going nuts. Privacy is under attack, speech is under attack. We're all sliding into China's model of control, but we're not even getting the socialist advantages.
The U.S. has been taken over by fascists who are not so slowly dismantling everything that was good about the government and strengthening everything bad. We likely already don't have anything close to a democracy anymore.
Yeah but theres a centrist neoliberal in Cali who has jokes!
yay
Dems suffer greatly in finding the greatest shitbags possible who aren't officially republican.
I'm still livid about the fact that last primary, I literally skipped over Gavin Newsom, researched every single person running in the primary, and crossed off every single name that was worse than him.
He was one of three names not crossed off. Out of two dozen.
Vote Blue No Matter Who means they don't need to find a good candidate, and are free to ratfuck as much as they'd like during primaries. After all, the alternative is a republican, what are you going to do, convince 70 million other people to all vote for the same third party?
VBNMW is Blue MAGA. Treat them as such.
I prefer the more tactful, progressive in blue states (even third party vote if they don't get the primary), but blue in red states to slow them down there.
I wouldn't say anyone should be loyal to newsom,but we should be pragmatic during elections. And remember there are more races than just president.
We should support our progressive candidates to go independent if they have to.
I just can't wait for the protest vote to fuck us again and give us two more years of destruction and erosion of rights.
Then why doesn't the Democratic Party listen to the protest vote? Are these people too insignificant to care about or so powerful they cost the election, which is it?
Just note it's best to take our idealism to the primaries- it's the most effective it will ever be in a race to convince the electorate and the party that internal change needs to happen. It's hard to make those arguments in the general election because many, many people will move from idealism to pragmatism and are more willing to swallow bitter pills.
Also protest and burn things so take note of that.
"Protest and burn things, but don't protest or burn your vote otherwise we'll yell at you for years for using your rights"
Lol
I won't enthusiastically pledge allegiance to that homeless eating ghoul on Nov 3 2027.
I might, MIGHT, begrudgingly vote for the bastard. (If he promises Universal Healthcare) And if he wins I'll shit on him as much as is warranted. We already know he sucks. He is going to suck immensely. This is known. But we'll just have to see how it shakes.
2 years is plenty of time for democrats to get the message ‘i will not vote for anything but a progressive proven to run on progressive policies.’
I hope so. The problem is the Democratic Party would rather lose again than fight for universal healthcare, federally mandated maternity leave, national carbon tax, childcare programs, ending genocide, etc. ; and the democratic voters would rather "vote blue no matter who" than lose to the Republican Party again. So we end up with these establishment corporation oligarchy-asskissing candidates.
if that’s the case then nobody should vote for any democrat. because at that point they are not controlled opposition, they are just controlled. and the facade will have run its course and actual action would hopefully follow
It's funny because Kyle Kulinski called it a couple years ago that the dem party would probably coalesce behind Gavin Newsom even though he's still just a corrupt neolib.
Because.
Because he is a corrupt neolib.
The hostages are excited to choose their brand of chains.
If Newsone wants your vote he has 2 years to come up with better policies. Lol but he's not going to do that. If he wanted your vote he'd rep your positions but he wants to rep other interests.
If you don't want it to be Newsom, you have 2 years to organize and make it someone else.
Putting the onus on me to find someone is all well and good, but are you really OK with settling for Newsom?
Why don't we look together for someone more palatable?
Why don't we look together for someone more palatable?
And we should. I often talk about this on Lemmy. But many of my fellow lemms and lefties here would rather just skip out on the work it takes yo build a movement. Then they wonder why they aren't seriously represented.
Right back at you self righteous punk, stop preaching and get to work
Absolutely vote for whatever your personal issue is in the primary. Make your voice heard and let the candidates know about it.
Come general election, you vote against the Nazi. I don't give a fuck if the Dem doesn't like your issue, I'll even donate to change their mind, but damn well show up and vote for them.
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