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Politicians Will Not Save Us.
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Grassroots organization will save us.
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Absolutely vote for whatever your personal issue is in the primary. Make your voice heard and let the candidates know about it.
Come general election, you vote against the Nazi. I don't give a fuck if the Dem doesn't like your issue, I'll even donate to change their mind, but damn well show up and vote for them.
Unless he’s Zohran, then we clutch pearls and support the corrupt creepy predator guy.
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Nah, we need to let the DNC know that conservatives are unelectable in the general so they don't ratfuck they way through the primary again. Saying it now, I will not vote for republican-lite
The way you do that is by winning the primary. If progressive candidates can't win the primary, they can't win the general. That's what makes a candidate like Zohran in NY so important. At the end of the day though, if a progressive fails to take a seat, then a corporate dem is still better than any Nazi.
Nah, the DNC has a million tools to control the primary, from not announcing winners to banning mail-in voting during a pandemic to giving debate questions to their preferred candidate to the way questions are framed.
We know this because they've done all hat and more.
But even if they didnt ratfuck progressives, the primary system gives undue importance to electorally irrelevant states. There was no way South Carolina was going to vote blue, but it largely decided it in 2024.
Bernie would have won in 2016, and would have trounced Trump in 2020 instead of Biden scraping by the skin of his ass, entirely because low-information believed democrats support free healthcare, not rounding up their neighbors to ICE camps, woman's healthcare, etc, who were then disillusioned.
Sure, but Gavin Newsom might very well also be a Nazi. If you're from California, then you're probably aware that he's not exactly defending the the sanctuary state that he's been charged to lead. He's also kind of giving mayors carte blanche (and State-level support) to "clean up" homeless encampments, and he's publicly stated that he doesn't believe that "trans athletes should be allowed to compete against girls" in and interview with Charlie Kirk, and then recently doubled down on that.
So what do you do when both Candidates want to fuck the world?
Obviously the fascist party is accelerating things quickly, but the Democrats aren't doing anything to slow it down. Just as in every single case of a fascist takeover ever, the liberals enable the fascists. They keep trying to shift to the right to "capture voters" which literally has never worked, but they keep trying. Why?
One person thinks trans people shouldn't be allowed to compete in sports.
The other person thinks that trans people shouldn't be allowed to live.
Please help I can't figure out how these two are different
There is no difference. One side is just more honest
I can't believe this is such a hard thing for people to understand.
I'm willing to give up my non existent dreams of Basketball Stardom to ensure my survival
i can't believe after the dissolution of checks and balances and the ongoing kidnapping of hispanic people nationwide we're still having this conversation.
obviously newsom is actively awful. but calling it "both candidates want to fuck the world" is so narrow-minded knowing everything that is happening to america every day right now.
it's frustrating to be an american and be given two choices who both suck. one choice sucks so much more. not playing along in this fucked up democracy puts american people in danger.
I don't think "sucks so much more" is all that accurate though. Both candidates do want to fuck the world.
Where were the checks and balances when the Democrats were Drone-Striking kids? Where were the checks and balances when the Democrats were mass-deporting people? Where were the Checks and balances for torture programs, killing americans, giving our tax money to their rich friends, building out surveillance programs, backing a genocide, etc?
Yes, one side is worse, but the supposed "opposition" is doing everything they can to get as close to the worse side as they can.
There are no small wins anymore. Harm reduction is important, but it's also important to understand what is happening right now. That's all I'm saying. The Democrats will not be your salvation, they will be your slow demise. The Republicans will be your quick demise. People need to take to the streets, not the ballots. If you can't see that, then you're still living in the past. Listen to yourself: "compete dissolution of checks and balances" but you still think we can reform it all better?
C'mon, you don't seem to be that out of the loop. Surely you get it by now? I don't think you deserve to have a master
Go to the ballots and vote for who you want. Will it be sufficient, dunno, but it is absolutely needed to put in at least that effort.
Historically non-democratic means of overthrowing a previously democratic systems do not end well...
I'm not sure you understand my position. I'm against the Democrats and the Republicans. I don't think voting will be our solution. I'm pretty sure that I never said we can reform it, and I think we're gonna have to tear it all down and start over.
Responded to the wrong person. Sorry about that
i hope your clean hands can bring home all of the people ICE disappeared
You mean the organization that Obama and Biden supported, and used to disappear people?
Yet playing along seems to have led to fascism. Voting clearly is not enough, we have to take action outside of the system. Our fucked up electoral system could not be relied upon before and it definitely can't now with a fascist in office doing everything he can to rig it in his favor. We need more people to become disillusioned with our electoral system because it is dead now, and believing in the fantasy that we can vote our way out of fascism isn't going to do anyone any favors.
And because there are way more fascist friendly neoliberals than there are progressives it will never be someone you actually want to vote for.
This has been the pattern for my entire life and expecting this stupid country full of idiots to change is a recipe for disappointment.
Isn't that how democracy works? You try to convince the greatest number of people to agree with you, and if they don't, you lose? You can try to change the center of the curve, but if you're way over in "property is theft" land, and the greater number of people are in "healthcare should be cheap if not free," then that's going to be the policy that wins. You can be upset that more people don't agree with you, but that's what primaries are for.
Yes which is why I hate it and want to leave.
Except everywhere is like this because humans are unnecessarily complicated.
Except the left has policy that directly improves the material conditions of people. Free Healthcare polls overwhelmingly better than "means-tested subsidies for insurance through 50 different marketplaces where you have no idea what you will pay at any point".
The people don't have coherent ideologies, but they know healthcare, rent, school are too expensive and wages are too low.
Yes, that has also been the case my entire life and yet it never, ever happens and it never, ever will.
It never happens because the right-wing dems oppose it more fiercely than they oppose republicans, and yall pledge to vote for them 2 years out anyway.
Your heuristic is easy to beat. A Nazi just needs to run as a Democrat, hide their true feelings until the general election, and they can trick you into voting for them every time.
You must be working for Fetterman
Well they can trick you into voting for them the first time, anyways
Nah i'm done playing this no sensical game. If I vote, it's for PSL and any other third party option. Not like voting for a Dem in my state of Missouri will do anything so might as well vote for who I actually want to support and stop doing the "hold your nose and vote for the slightly less bigoted fascist".
I used to think the same until Georgia flipped blue for Biden.
It's possible and better then the alternative. Hell if your vote even just helps flip a house seat it is a drastic improvement
This attitude is why Missouri will always be red.
I hate when people cannot see they are part of the very problem they're trying to solve.
Look at the numbers of the last election. In the Senate race, Kunce (who was actively advertising himself as a conservative running on the Dem ticket) would have needed every third party vote plus an additional 331,000 votes to beat Hawley. Why would the people here want conservative light when they can have the full thing?
Harris would have needed every third party vote plus an additional 508,000 votes. Again someone that was trying to win over the "moderate conservative" by partying with Republicans on stage in an awful attempt at "bipartisanship". Showcasing again people here don't want conservative light. Plus, as someone who worked with the public at the time and was constantly told people's political opinions when I didn't't want to know, they all saw her as a socialist/communist even with all the surrendering she did to the conservative party. Literally would have lost nothing in the public eye if she had gone full progressive instead of "moderate conservative".
The people I talk to who don't vote, even the ones that probably would have voted conservative if they did, don't have any faith in our current system representing them. These random people I worked with or dealt with at work who, as far as I'm aware, aren't terminally online want someone who would actually represent them. Internet libs can screech about leftists "purity testing", but that's how the average person works also. They don't like their options and know that Missouri has been red for 30 years, so why bother when the decision is made for them.
So you're actively going to help the worst fascist, even using your own opinion of the democratic politicians. That makes you an enemy.
No, this is bullshit thinking and it has to stop! The Democrat politicians are the ones actively supporting Trump by sucking so much.
You can support diet fascism, but you but you don't get to call it anti-fascism. And if the left is your enemy, what does that say about you?
And why is this even a conversation now? There is literally no reason for anyone to care about the 2028 election. I mean hell, in all likelihood you won't even get to have real elections in 2028 at this rate, so now in 2025 go do something about it.
That... makes no sense.
Giving politicians money to change their mind is straight up how Dems operate. They're barely even shy about it.
Yeah but you need a lot of zeros and commas on that check for them to give a damn
Less than you'd think, but hey - they didn't say how much they were gonna spend.
Less than I think is still more than I can spare.
But, hey, good to know that our politics are hopelessly corrupt and can be purchased for mere hundreds of thousands of dollars and not millions.
I’m sure those poor millionaires are happy about that.