The correct way to react to most miscommunication. And awfully rare.
I wouldn't think brisket would be good rare
It's not. Brisket is definitely one of those dishes that is very unforgiving of cooking time. The only thing worse than raw brisket is burned brisket.
Honestly I'd rather have brisket and gravy.
I want brisket on a biscuit with gravy.
I firmly disagree. A good Biscuits and Gravy is the perfect breakfast food. I am part of a Brunch Bunch and have had hundreds of different Biscuits and Gravy. It's my go to dish for judging a restaurant.
I’d be happy with either
Third option: brisket and gravy on biscuits.
It’s not just a language barrier, it’s also a cultural barrier. I can imagine someone being confused by this even if they speak fluent English, as the dish ‘biscuits and gravy’ contains neither biscuits nor gravy.
Um... literally every time I've had biscuits and gravy, it's literally gravy poured over biscuits. Every time. Without fail. It's kind of in the name.
the cultural difference is that the US is the only place in the world that calls “flaky scone-like buttery thing” biscuits
everywhere else in the world, biscuit means cookie or cracker
Why does white/sausage gravy not count as gravy, in your view?
Why don’t apples count as pears? Why does black not count as white?
This is what biscuits look like
The stuff you refer to is a ragout, not a gravy.
Um, no. White gravies are a strong part of culinary traditions across Europe as a whole. The lumberjacks in Appalachia didn't just decide one day to make biscuits and "ragu" out of nowhere, they had several sources of inspiration for why they made their gravy the way they did.
And, yes, according to basically every culinary school everywhere, ever - the referent sauce is a gravy, not a ragu/ragout as you attempt to imply here. The sauce is far, far too fucking fatty to be a ragu. It is literally made with meat drippings and is primarily composed of sausage fat and roux. The fact that milk is added as a binder/emulsifier + flavor-enhancer doesn't suddenly turn it into a fucking "ragu". Further, even if gravy was the wrong term for this sauce, the correct one certainly isn't a ragu. This is much closer to a velouté and that family of sauces than it is to ragu and other meat sauces. Except, this isn't velouté, either. Why? BECAUSE THE SAUCE IS MOSTLY MADE OF FAT SOURCED FROM DRIPPINGS, THE FUCKING DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF A GRAVY!!!
Have you never had southern American style biscuits and gravy before?
I just can't seem to imagine how someone would think the gravy is a ragu instead of being a gravy unless you've literally never eaten it before and only have seen it visually and know that it is a sauce with meat in it... this whole position is patently fucking ridiculous if you've ever eaten it before, imo.
You can be Western European, pompous, or correct - pick two.
Sorry not to be a dick I just gotta raz you guys when I get the chance lmao, much love from across the seas. This is definitely an interesting hill you've picked to die upon in a thread topically about language barriers, tho, lol.
Just in case anyone wants to argue with you, here's the tasting history guy backing you up:
I love a good "actually" moment, and you nailed it.
The point is (and this hasn't really been refuted) that both biscuits and gravy mean something quite different in different regions.
And what you associate with these terms differs depending on where you live and what you've eaten before.
Tbh, I'd have more of an issue with the biscuits than with the gravy. White gravy, ok, that exists. Gravy with meat in it, well, doesn't strike me as a gravy but more of a meat sauce, but ok. But biscuits to me are hard and sweet and definitely not something that should come in contact with any kind of gravy.
Well, biscuits used to refer to essentially just hardtack so by "traditional" English standards both the modern English and American usage of the word is incorrect and unfounded. Traditional biscuits would have neither been soft and bread-y nor crumbly and sweet. They'd have been essentially rocks of flour. The Latin term that biscuit is descended from etymologically quite literally means "twice-baked."
Of course, no one defines a biscuit that way anymore. We all know contextually what things refer to nowadays in a globalized society and using our big ol' brains we figure out what one another means well enough.
Unless you're literally anyone from the island of Britain (or were taught your English by them), apparently, because I see you lot online trying to chastise everyone else for their use of the language way more than anyone else in the Anglosphere. Frankly, at a certain point, you guys are the stick in the mud and need to catch up with everyone else in the entire rest of the globe. That doesn't mean giving up your 'u' in color, exactly the opposite actually. It just means that a part of living in the modern world is accepting that you'll need to speak to people from all around the globe and learn to be a big boy and discern meaning even when it isn't immediately obvious to you.
Holy shit for people notoriously known for despising the French you think you guys would stop trying to do your best L'Académie française impression on the internet all the fucking time.
This is one of the dumber things to try and gate keep.
Words have meaning. Sometimes multiple meanings. Not just the meaning that you know.
That doesn't look like biscuits or gravy to me.
Yeah, English is my only language and I was thinking wtf is biscuits and gravy? How does that go together in any way?
I don't need to imagine this.
I watched the Great British Bakeoff Mexican week.
Can you imagine being the chef who went home in that round, though?
I might not agree with Alton Brown on all the opinions I’ve seen him post, but I have the impression that he’s someone who’s trying in general not to make things harder than they need to be (except of course when that’s exactly what the challenge is in the game that everyone signed up to play, what with all the wacky sabotage options on Cutthroat Kitchen).
Can you imagine being the chef who went home in that round, though?
You mean, if I lost to somebody who managed to make decent brisket in half an hour?
I mean, if he went home his biscuit and gravy weren't amazing I guess.
No way in fuck is anyone cooking a brisket in under 6 hours without it being inedibly chewy.
Do you have a moment to discuss our lord and savior the pressure cooker?
Brisket and gravy makes sense as a meal, but wtf is biscuits and gravy?
I'm British and there's no end of meals that I would have gravy with, but biscuits isn't one of them.
I can tell it's a cultural/language thing because North Americans call biscuits cookies, but I don't know what they mean by biscuits here.
Ah OK, so biscuit means savoury scones.
Every time I have this conversation with Americans they insist that it's nothing like scones but then they describe something suspiciously sconelike
It’s a buttery scone with the layered texture of a croissant that’s had a weight pressed down on it.
I have never seen this show, but I have a hard time believing he managed to entirely cook the wrong thing and no one told him at any point. Unless it was done on purpose to make a good story...
You are totally on point. Here's the source: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8hd6r9 (from 18:55).
They noticed right in the beginning and totally didn't do anything to fix the misunderstanding until it was too late. And of course that happened for the purpose to make a good story.
Often on cooking shows like this, contestants will do something creative and different in order to stand out, so it makes sense that they'd wait and see what he's cooking up.
Honestly I think they took the best possible approach, they let the creative create, and when it was revealed that there was in fact a communication breakdown, they handled it fairly and made sure to not penalize the contestant for the host's failure to effectively communicate. This is especially important with such an exceptionally regional dish with many different ways to prepare it. People who haven't spent time in the region that its regularly served in may entirely misunderstand how its supposed to be prepared and served, and that causes there to be incredible variation between recipes and approaches
The main point of any TV show is to entertain. They aren't there to be a fair sports competition to find earth's greatest cook. Especially not for such a low-brow entertainment-first cooking show as cutthroat kitchen.
That part of the episode was decent drama. The mix-up clearly made the scene more interesting. If this was an actually serious cooking show it would not have gone like that. But it's an entertainment show and that's ok as well.
How TF did he do a brisket in the same amount of time it would take to make biscuits, which are basically scones, which take 20 minutes?
Brisket and gravy looks yum. Don’t see the problem here.
Our society is so wasteful and entitled if we’re getting pissy at this level.
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