Google needs to be destroyed and broken up
I hate the noose of technology.
It is an awful state of things that you have to have a smartphone these days (increasingly for 2fa for banking and such) and now only two American tech companies are allowed to control them.
This is bad for society and humanity. This type of capture will lead us further into fascism and tech dependencies that are anathema to freedom and liberty.
And that’s what the sheeple welcome with open arms.
I wouldn't say "welcome with open arms". IMO it's more like "having been misled by trillion-dollar global corporations over decades".
Nah… no matter what they do, people - especially Americans, are too lazy and apathetic to care. We all know about all the spying that has been publicly divulged and admitted to - by the phone company, by the NSA, by Facebook, the list goes on. And how many Americans made any change to their lifestyle? None. They still line up in droves to pour out their money for the latest spy device. How many times was Alexa demonstrated empirically to have uploaded conversations recorded without the owner’s awareness or consent? The sheep still BUY such devices.
Please don’t delude yourself that people have any reluctance whatsoever. Open arms indeed.
Nah… no matter what they do, people - especially Americans, are too lazy and apathetic to care.
Apathetic is the key word there. And can you really blame Americans for being apathetic? In 2008, Democrats promised to give us socialized healthcare and the people showed up in record numbers. We gave Democrats complete control over the House, Senate, and Executive branch. And what happened? Nothing. They made up countless excuses on why they couldn't help us so our healthcare system stayed as broken as ever.
Last year, what did Harris promise to do to help us if she won? Nothing. She wouldn't endorse socialized healthcare for all, she wouldn't support free college for all, she wouldn't promise to connect all the major US cities by high speed rail, or to mandate that all working Americans have a minimum of 2 weeks of paid vacation each year + paid sick days, etc.
US politicians don't give a shit what the American people want. They don't even try to pretend anymore like they will help us. Instead, all they do is claim the other party will be more damaging. So yes, we are apathetic but that is because we live under a corporate dictatorship.
We chould be fighting back. We could pick one huge company that has done a lot of bad, one that relies on willing patronage, rather than a utility or the like, and we could collectively boycott them to death. Overnight the worst offenders could be shut down. But try to get anyone to give enough of a shit to sacrifice so much as a fart.
Sadly its too easy to claim a lack of understanding and continue on with life as usual. At this point, we should be working together to buy NOTHING from these corporations until our rights are firmly guaranteed. (exceptions for meds and similar essentials). I've cut back significantly, but I still made an Amazon purchase recently. A strengthening of secondhand marketplaces could take away another excuse for this. If they saw even a 25% drop in revenue it might be enough. We have to starve the beast.
I think you overestimate the average American's aptitude for both understanding the ramifications of such spying, and to understand how to go about seeking out alternatives. Joe/Susie Random doesn't have a clue about how what makes their phone screen work, only that it's a tool to do things. Social media especially is so ingrained in modern life that you can become ostracized for not using it (even jobs sometimes see not having SM as a red flag). And even SM aside, what options are there (aside from FOSS, which does require a certain technical aptitude to adapt)? It used to be that you could customize android via roms to get away from it, but with these latest changes happening, even that's becoming difficult to avoid big tech's dominance. But again, it takes a certain level of know-how to seek out and implement such an alternative. And for the layman that doesn't really have a clue about how this stuff work nor the bandwidth to learn it, i can't entirely place the blame on them. The focus should entirely be on Apple and Google for strangling the competition that renders the options limited. I'm all for placing the blame on the individual when warranted, but we need to remember that merely by being on Lemmy we have a bit more technical understanding than most, and that must be taken into account for how we view these things. Many of the people out there aren't inherently lazy or stupid, they just have different understandings and priorities in life, and we should be looking at these companies and also regulators for their failures of responsibility.
I’m not blaming individuals at all; the corp CEOs are the true evils. But they will never change, and we have minuscule to no power over them. Government regulation could have in the past, but the corporations are the government now; anyone who still thinks otherwise is just in denial.
So it’s up to the individual to choose not to give their money and information to these companies. It’s up to the individual to starve them of their lifeblood. Even then, they might double down - these gluttons are not known for their sense of humility. So one or two must be made into examples - and it would need to be companies that don’t have backing like the auto and banking industries, otherwise it would just be our tax dollars bailing them out like last timeS where the worst of them retired on multimillion dollar “golden parachutes.” All that would need to get slaughtered at the conceptual level.
I will refrain from sharing more of my perspective on what I expect because I really don’t wanna be that much of a bummer, but we are really approaching our very last moment before we would be labeled as terrorists for installing our own ROM. And if we don’t wake up average Joe/Sue, they’ll just go along and eat it up.
One of my favorite lesser-known sci-fi shows is Continuum. Their depiction of the future society was so spot on it’s scary. Everything down to how good people can actually believe that individuals who don’t want to be born into slavery should be considered aberrant, and those who fight back are terrorists… it’s uncanny how close to that we already are. You should watch it, because it’s pretty much a road map for where we are almost at.
On the positive side, lots of people are getting to the point where they are fed up enough that they just might be receptive if the ideas are presented in the right way.
If email tried to make it today rather than the 90s/early 2000s, that shit would have never been adopted by the big players. They'd all have come out with their own proprietary mail system. Google's doing their take on embrace, extend, extinguish
Maybe we'll see more donations regarding Linux mobile? The development needs to be even faster now.
I'm afraid the carriers will just stop allowing devices on their networks unless they're approved and locked down with a spy ROM.
Well then no compliance. I'll take a dumb flip phone if it came to that. And with tethering I can use whatever I damn well please behind it.
It'll be their own downfall. Telephony is handled perfectly fine through tcp/ip. So if carries don't support it, we'll start seeing components that turn the phone part of phones to Internet connectivity modules.
Helium has the chance to do something really funny right now /s
Sadly that's a high possibility, though I hope it won't come to that or at least there would be a network that allows this.
Man I remember installing custom roms on my GALAXY S2 back in the day. I had done so much research on what was the best one, and the steps it took to correctly do. I was so nervous the first time, scared that I would brick my phone.
The little white text on the black screen..... Made me feel like a movie hacker lol.
the i9100 ? It was my first Android phone, I also installed tons of ROM on it. I still have the phone, it is still working, ROM is XWMS1 4.1.2 Chameleon v3.0.4 Samsung/AOKP hybrid, my kernel is Siyah v6.0b5
Yeah that's the one! Had it in white.
Wow that's quite amazing. I imagine you've been through a few batteries since new?
I have 2 batteries, but I seldom use it, I boot it from time to time and I am still impressed it works :)
My first one was ZTE Blade V880, updated from 2.2 straight to 4.4.2, that level of support won't be possible now.
If the day comes where it’s impossible to at the very least, clean off spyware stuff you don’t want, or install custom ROMs if necessary, then I’ll stick to older units that have the ability still. And if that ever becomes impossible, then stop using a smartphone.
And all the arguments in the world about how everything requires a smartphone - I don’t care about. That cannot be literally required, at least not for anything important because it’s not possible to assume/ensure that every person has one and that it is fully operational etc.
If this creates a nuisance for providers of various services, so be it - in fact, all the better because they can potentially be a source of pressure to maintain the availability of customizable devices. But that’s a very very miniscule likelihood; more likely is that they say well, too bad, if you don’t have a smartphone then this hospital can’t treat you. There may come a point where it literally will be impossible to functionally integrate in society without being spied upon 24/7. And in America at least, this will be welcomed with open arms because - well, you know: sheep.
But even then, there will develop a bigger and bigger fringe subculture of off-the-grid individuals who still value the concept of privacy.
So - like every sci-fi dystopia depicted in film and literature throughout history. Well, anyone who complains won’t be able to claim they weren’t warned a million times literally.
Whoa, papers please. Not the physical ones, I need you to hand over your smart phone and we will scan your access.
Increasingly more services are moving away from SMS 2FA for security reasons. App based authentication tokens are the more secure wYhy to process multifactor authentication. You would need at the very least, a smart device capable of installing an authenticator so you can continue to use banks and sign into email providers that require it (most business emails). There are ways to do this without a smart phone but it will only make your life more complex.
That cannot be literally required, at least not for anything important because it’s not possible to assume/ensure that every person has one and that it is fully operational etc
哈哈哈. You can go months in China without seeing a RMB, like 90% of businesses only accept Alipay, Wechat, and Unionpay.
The level of enshittification of wechat and alipay is suprisingly low for now, but most Chinese phones are getting harder to flash a custom rom on, presumably to stop resellers from flashing global firmware and reselling in more expensive countries.
Nah, these time based 2fa codes can be stored on an extremely basic device that doesn't need an internet connection. It would just need a clock set roughly accurately
And they can be synced by atomic clock signals (whoever emits them in my area)
For banking there still are these tan generator devices that use optical sensors that read a flashing image that is displayed on the screen of your online banking software. This doesn't seem to go anywhere.
Who in their right mind would prefer sms 2FA???
At least prefer hardware passkeys or something but not sms...
After reading the article seems like a sensationalized headline. One of the major ROMs is on hiatus and may never return. And the process of installing custom ROMs is challenging. Not good, frustrating, but different than "soon no one will be able to do this"
There's a minimum amount of people and interest that custom ROM developers need to stay afloat. I'd say it's a huge issue if you'd like to use one in the future if less and less people are using them now.
You're right. But the headline is "the days of custom android ROMs are numbered"
the days of everything is numbered even our sun so yeah i agree
All custom Roms rely on AOSP being freely available.
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