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submitted 1 month ago by memo@feddit.it to c/games@lemmy.world

So many people online seem to already complain about Silent Hill f out of a few details coming out of trailers. I honestly think the game looks sick and I can't wait to play it, expecially considering the writer's good reputation.

I remember the SH2 remake lived in a similar hell-hole before gathering critical acclaim. I have not seen this kind of anxious negativity about new games in a series ever. What do you think?

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[-] stardustsystem@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

The original Silent Hill games were created by an internal group within Konami called Team Silent. This team was formed by underperforming Konami staff to work on a Resident Evil competitor that Konami higher-ups wanted to underperform and give them a chance to fire said underperforming staff. Instead, they struck gold with SH1.

Team Silent suddenly had a level of fame to themselves, but they were still Konami's red-headed stepchild. 2-4 were similarly successful, with 2 being the high point of the series.

After SH3, key staff started to depart from Konami. By the time the 5th game, Homecoming, came out, much of the original team had been replaced with those more aligned with Konami bigwigs that wanted to turn the series into a moneymaker instead of the quiet success it was built as.

An example of this is the Silent Hill HD Collection for PS3 and X360. The 'remaster' of SH2 and 3 was anything but. They had to make these remasters with incomplete codebases, no original staff to question, even some of the original voice acting was missing because Konami straight-up deleted the original source code.

There are those that say that SH never recovered from the gutting of Team Silent, and they tend to get louder with each entry into the series. Sometimes they have valid points, but not always.

[-] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

To add to this, Team Silent members started leaving after SH3 came out primarily because when SH2 released, it wasn't that well received compared to SH1 (this is mostly to do with the Japanese audience complaining online at the time that SH2 was not a sequel or continuation to SH1). As a result, Konami started forcing Team Silent to make changes to SH3 that Konami executives thought would make it sell and review better in Japan than SH2. In other words, Konami was taking away Team Silent's autonomy within Konami to develop what they wanted.

Silent Hill 3 was the beginning of the downfall of the series because it was the first game in which the original developer's vision for the game was edited by Konami executives. This would sadly become a recurring theme for every Silent Hill game released thereafter. Silent Hill 3 was never supposed to feature the cult from Silent Hill 1. Heather was not supposed to be Cheryl. The hospital was not supposed to be reused from SH2, and was only done so because the developers were running out of time.

What's worse, except for Akira Yamaoka, the original series composer, Homecoming did not have any original Team Silent staff working on it because it was outsourced to an external, Western development studio. Not one member of Team Silent was credited in the game except for Akira Yamaoka, they weren't even mentioned in the "Special Thanks" portion of Homecoming's credits.

[-] SCmSTR 8 points 1 month ago

Shitty capitalism strikes again

[-] Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

For SH2, I think it was specifically because Bloober Team was working on it. They had a mixed or spotty track record before this release, so people were worried, they'd mess up the remake for a beloved game.

I think Konami also kinda "left" video game development for a time, focusing more on Pachinko machines, their health clubs, etc. So this, along with some of their previous choices, meant they didn't really have the best reputation (and still haven't), and people didn't know if it was just going to be a lazy cash grab.

Silent Hill f I don't really know what people are saying, and I haven't looked, but I can only guess that anti-woke mob is going after the game, because you're playing as a girl/woman, which is of course DEI, forced diversity, woke, whatever, I dunno.

[-] bagodogs@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago

Haven't seen any complaints about F, but the SH2 remake was made by a studio with a spotty record, they made some unnecessary changes, and it still has traversal stutter.

[-] memo@feddit.it 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I admit I do not prefer the remake over the original, but that's mostly because I would rather see new original things than to milk pre-existing material which didn't age that badly. Also, as you mentionet, silent hill f isn't being developed by bloober team! If anything, that's something to look forward to if one didn't like the remake.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 month ago

Woo, time to see how many gooners are actually on lemmy.

The modern "video game essay" format came out of people on the Something Awful forums who were REALLY into Silent Hill. It was Japanese style horror in a Western setting with a lot of fairly heavy themes and implications so it was the perfect confluence of weebing out and "it is dark so it is deep" level discourse. And what started as people writing thousands of word arguments for what the shovel being at an 80 degree angle in that shed meant became people making 60 minute youtubes on what it meant that Heather ALSO saw the titty nurses and how it represents her repressed lesbian urges. And 3 hour videos about Pyramid Head that would make even Freud roll his eyes.

And... basically all of the later Silent Hill games REALLY sucked. The Room has its defenders but pretty much everything after that is universally panned and with good reason. Up until last year-ish with the remake of 2.

Which was a different kind of shitstorm. Because now you had all these essayists who were The Keepers Of Silent Hill lore (one of the most famous ones wrote her master's thesis on SH2 I want to say?) seeing the greatest of the games being remade. And by fucking Bloober team? Pretty much every essayist had keyed in that Bloober have some very questionable themes in some of their games. Uhm... trigger warnings but

spoilerBloober at least used to really like the trope of "The only way to stop this great evil infecting you is to kill yourself and it with you" and "They were a victim of abuse and should be pitied even as they perpetuated the cycle". That are both, fairly unarguably, shitty mindsets but are also horror tropes going back literally centuries

So it was the mix of "This is MY game and MY story and how dare they change it" combined with "Also they picked the bogeymen that I hated on so hard last year that I could buy a car".

And then... Bloober kind of made a masterpiece? Like, most of their changes are fairly loved/appreciated and everyone but the most hardcore of the SH2 Video Essayists loved it.

But now we have Silent Hill f that very much DOES feel like a cash in and a way to make a Fatal Frame but with a more marketable IP. But also... Fatal Frame fucked hard?

Either way? The most important thing ever is to never stop saying that Silent Hill (the town) is really smokey because it was built on top of a coal mine that caught fire and has been smouldering for decades. That is some real Silent Hill fan lore that not many people know but is really cool to share.

[-] SnotFlickerman 4 points 1 month ago

I know SA members were called "goons" but does the modern "gooner" really come from that?

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago

Nah. Modern day gooners are all based on how Arsenal fans just can't stop touching themselves. Like, if you ever go to a game there is an entire section dedicated towards group edging.

In all seriousness, I have no idea what the actual origins of "gooning==masturbation" is. But the word "goon" mostly just is a synonym for thug or henchman. So a lot of groups used it because they are the bogeymen and blah blah blah.

[-] smeg@feddit.uk 8 points 1 month ago

The thing about Arsenal is they always try and wank it in

[-] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

If you aren't a Manc, you're a wank!

[-] daggermoon@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

I don't know but its fucking annoying. Yes, the Team Silent games were the best, but that doesn't mean we can't have more great SH games. I'd like to think Konami learned their lesson with Downpour. Homecoming was alright except for it contradicting previously established lore. I'm going to play f with an open mind. Being an SH fan can be exhausting sometimes.

[-] memo@feddit.it 4 points 1 month ago

honestly, imma just say it: silent hill shattered memories had a very interesting take on the series, and I don't see anything wrong with spin-offs or minor titles deviating from the original formula of gameplay. Are we just bathing a tad too much in nostalgia?

[-] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I dont mind spin-offs. I avtually like Silent Hill The Arcade and I wanted to play Book of Memories until I saw its not supported in Vita3k still. I ain't buying a Vita just for that one game.

I don't understand IP fans that think spin-offs are mainline entries. Metroid Prime Pinball and Hyrule Warriors (the original one) are among the best of the best spin-offs. I can't imagine why anyone would think they taint the series they are based on. They are supplemental material made to be fun, not to contribute to the mainline story.

[-] Nico_198X@europe.pub 6 points 1 month ago

do they? i hadn't noticed. i thought ppl were generally excited and positive.

[-] memo@feddit.it 2 points 1 month ago

probably has to do with "negative minority being the loudest" on the internet, but as you can see from this thread there's a LOT whole of concern for a game nobody has tried out yet. I guess I understand where they're coming from since Konami's record with the series isn't great, but I still genuinely fail to see why silent hill f isn't perceived as a good game from the trailers we've seen thus far.

[-] Nico_198X@europe.pub 2 points 1 month ago

i'm stoked. i dunno, man. ppl just want to be miserable.

i'm a SH fan from back in the day. 1-4, Origins. Shattered Memories. love them all.

SH2 Remake was EXCELLENT.

ppl are crazy.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 1 month ago

Because fuck Konami.

Which I can sort of agree with.

[-] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Because they arent as good? Its not fucking complicated

[-] memo@feddit.it 2 points 1 month ago

I'm talking about a game that has yet to come out. Is the rudeness really necessary?

[-] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Rudeness? Fuck lmao

[-] Redacted@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

Because there will never be a new game that gives them the feelings they had when they played the originals all those years ago

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Only those with strong negative emotions gather in Silent Hill.

[-] rafoix@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

SH2 is good but is suffers greatly with performance and visuals because it uses UE5.

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