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This was bound to happen, and it’s ridiculous

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[-] irmadlad@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago

I've been biting my tongue hard these past few months in a concerted effort not to be offensive. I'm not trying to be intentionally offensive, however, I feel there is an element in this situation that is being disregarded in favor of someone else doing your work. When I say 'You', Your', etc, I mean it in the royal sense. So, warm up the downvote finger and man the flame throwers.

If it's genuinely for the children, then when are we going to require parents to be parents? Look, you brought this service into your home voluntarily. You might say 'Well I need it for work' or 'I need it for school'. Tons of people use hundreds of thousands of hotspots daily to do their thing on the internet. This service you voluntarily brought into your house, has both the ability to be highly beneficial and highly detrimental all in the same breath. Technology always, always, always wields a double edged sword.

And what do the majority of parents do with such power? They give it to their vulnerable, under aged, highly curious, children, un-monitored, uncensored, and uninhibited. Are you insane? So when little Johnny is caught surfing porn hub, the parents freak and cry out to their government 'We need to ban porn!' No! What we need is for parents to be parents.

There are literally hundreds of services, and ways to lock down your internet. I hear parents say 'I'm not technologically inclined.' Get there. The safety and well being of your children hang in the balance. Take a class at your local Tech College. I'd be willing to bet that when little Johnny's mom was pregnant, she most likely did some reading on the topic. Some even take a class on childbirth. The internet should be no different. Access one or two of the billions of tuts out on the internet.

Now, will locking down your internet like a multi-billion dollar enterprise with a Brinks Kit keep little Johnny from seeing some skin? No! Why? Because it's natural for humans to want to see what other humans look like naked. Children are naturally inquisitive. The prime directive of all life is to replicate. So, have frank, open, direct, and yes, awkward conversations with your children. Let them know in no uncertain terms what is acceptable on your network. Tell them why these things are not appropriate for their age group. This relationship with your children starts at Day 1.

You have 18 years of boot camp to equip your children with all the tools necessary to make wise, prudent decisions in life. You probably taught them how to ride a bicycle, or drive a car, or any number of teaching opportunities parents have with their children. The internet should be no different. We live in a technological time line that is ever changing, so it behooves parents to know exactly what is going on with their technology and how their children are using it. Get with it.

Being a parent takes work. Being a network administrator also takes work. Anyone who is a seasoned veteran of this chan knows, to secure a network in order to be as private, secure, and anonymous as possible on the internet, takes work. I find, a large portion of parents are unwilling to do the work and would rather fob off their responsibilities as a parent, to the government having jurisdiction. I'm not painting all parents with this brush. Kudos to parents who are very involved in their children's lives. There are enough of them tho, that are not, and this is a big issue. It gives governments the justification they desire to surveil their citizenry.

Let the roast begin.

[-] PacketPilot@lemmy.world 10 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Honestly I think access to AI chatbots at an early age is way more harmful to the developing brain. Character.ai is a very popular platform among younger gen z. LLMs are giving grown adults full blown psychosis, where's all the concern for the children when it comes to a dangerous tool like that? What a bunch of geriatric fucking clowns.

[-] DreamAccountant@lemmy.world 11 points 2 hours ago

Same religious garbage they've been trying to pull for the last 75+ years.

"Someone think of the CHILDREN!!!".

They scream, as they take away your rights to information, privacy, and anything else that they possibly can. They don't want you to have rights.

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

children figuring out VPNs in a week while these bumfucks (state that they) didn't manage to understand it in the years they've been given just goes to show the many orders of magnitudes of difference in their intelligence

[-] AlecSadler 10 points 2 hours ago

No, this is intentional, the ultimate goal is a censored internet a la China. This was just the easiest gateway to doing that.

They are coming for VPNs next.

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 minutes ago

tbf it's probably both corruption and incompetence, not just one or the other

[-] pankuleczkapl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 hours ago

This is so fucking stupid, you cannot stop VPNs, because things like ShadowSocks exist. When will they learn that the only way to stop VPNs is to disable the internet completely. As long as the internet exists, VPNs will too. Ask your friend Xi Jinping about that.

[-] MarriedCavelady50@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 hours ago

Xi Jinping will be more than happy to provide consultation work for the UK government. Stop giving them ideas.

VPN use in China is effectively banned. Big corporations serve shittier Facebook that 99% of the population is satisfied with.

[-] Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world 85 points 6 hours ago

Josh Lane was addicted to porn by 14-years-old after first finding it via a Google search when he was aged 12.

Now 25 and happily married.

Wow. Porn really destroyed this mans life. What a tragic tale.

[-] synapse1278@lemmy.world 8 points 2 hours ago

He told Newsnight the addiction caused him to isolate himself from friends and family because he was "afraid of anyone discovering that I was hooked."

Mr Lane described finding "the only place I could get, I guess, love and intimacy was from pornography" at the same time as feeling "heaps of guilt and shame"

The problem seems to have more to do with lack of proper sex education and social pressure rather than pornography. Why did he have to feel so ashamed that he isolated himself? That's a real issue here!

[-] MoonMelon@lemmy.ml 25 points 3 hours ago

If jacking off constantly at age 14 doomed a person we would never have left the Miocene epoch.

[-] irmadlad@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Tho not so prevelant in this current timeline with internet access, there is a global phenomenon that most little boys can attest to. When we were growing up, there was forest porn. No one knew how it got there. No one claimed it. But in every town, county, village, city, et al, there were some woods with forest porn.

I do not condone children viewing porn because they are not mentally or emotionally ready for that. However, I do know it exists and gosh, it seems to me that some proper parenting skills would solve a lot of problems.

We would have gone extinct before we discovered fire.

[-] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

It's not like it can't happen, i also found porn very early on. I got addicted and it ruined my early sex life. Real women weren't "exciting" anymore and I'd lost my sensitivity as well.

This is NOT the solution but it's also not not an issue

[-] riskable@programming.dev 28 points 5 hours ago

I guess it's just too late for all those children that viewed porn. The piles of their dead bodies must be enormous!

[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 47 points 6 hours ago
[-] onlooker@lemmy.ml 38 points 5 hours ago

How about parents supervise their own kids them-fuckin'-selves?

It feels like a return of the pornography/video games/rock music moral panic of the late 20th century. I wish these conservative idiots would just fuck off. We'll do anything before we tackle things that are really affecting children. Like poverty and hunger, in one of the world's richest countries. We're a joke of a country, no wonder people keep making fun of us. We deserve it.

[-] irmadlad@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Satanic Panic

[-] TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 6 hours ago

Honestly, it feels more sinister. Sure, they say they want to eliminate this privacy tool because children could use it to watch porn, but realistically they’re not a fan of anybody using a VPN.

[-] MoonMelon@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 hours ago

It seems like a perpetual panic, sustained because it creates a lever of exploitation to control the gullible. Like you can read complaints about "oversexed youth" from time periods when pornography was totally banned and women were essentially chattel. And hey, Boomers didn't have internet porn and they are fucked.

[-] ideonek@piefed.social 30 points 5 hours ago

Stop blocking Wikipedia

[-] latenightnoir 100 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Why not just gouge out their eyeballs, it's the only way to make sure!

Oh, what's that, it's not actually about the porn, it's about getting everyone to self-submit personal info to your shitty databases? Ooh, ok, gotcha!

Edit: sorry about the non-sequitur, I'm losing my fucking mind...

[-] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 33 points 7 hours ago

It's so weird. Just don't give your kids unrestricted internet access if you're concerned about any of this...

[-] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago

What's wild is that I have to assume most of us don't. My friends have said outright their kids won't get smart phones until a certain age and are consciously deciding media access levels for different ages.

We all grew up with open internet and most of us know that it was a bad thing. We don't need laws to govern access.

It's just an excuse to build more surveillance and censorship systems. Mostly, because we all learned various empowering things from the internet growing up that was outside of their state funded systems.

This is not an endorsement of homeschooling. Merely a statement that, even with the bad of the internet, we also learn many things that annoyed politicians and elites alike.

The 2010s were full of protests and organizing made possible by open access to information. That's the real problem.

[-] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 17 points 6 hours ago

Just give them a flip-phone and a living-room computer.

[-] latenightnoir 30 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Or, y'know... they could do some actual parenting and talk to their kids about this. Kids aren't morons, they're just inexperienced. They are actually capable of understanding, like, words and stuff as long as one offers enough context for them... Actually teach the kids to use the internet, help them develop some insights.

And if anyone's panicked about the immoral stuff going on in the porn industry (and there are plenty of things to be addressed and critiqued about a hystorically predatory domain), then address those directly! Friggin' nurture their critical thinking and empathy! Locking them up in the fucking basement isn't gonna Protect Them From Evil™, it just ensures they'll be maladapted and sociopathic once they manage to escape from fucking prison! (no pun intended)

Edit: I will say this forever and ever - it is the parents' duty to adapt to the world in which their kids have to live, not to force their kids to adapt to a world their parents wish would apply!

[-] paultimate14@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago

And if anyone's panicked about the immoral stuff going on in the porn industry (and there are plenty of things to be addressed and critiqued about a hystorically predatory domain)

You're 100% correct, but I would also like to point out how weird it is that porn seems to be the ONLY industry where these religious nutjobs pretend to care about workers.

In the US, the same people who say they care about the porn industry preying upon women are the same ones rolling back child labor legislations to send 14 year olds to meat packing plants. The same ones who have kept the minimum wage where it is for decades. The same ones who want to ban abortion even in cases where the woman's life is threatened. I know this is a BBC article about the UK, but I can't help but see some parallels with the right-wing religious conservatives everywhere in the world.

They don't care about women. They don't care about children. They don't care about workers. They care about having lots of cheap labor. They care about parents being too tired, too overworked, too risk-averse for the sake of their children to dare to fight back. They want a world where peasant girls get married at 14 and start cranking out more babies immediately. Any substitute which threatens that (birth control, abortion, homosexuality, pornography, sex education) is under attack.

[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

In the US children get shot and killed at school on a monthly basis and all the government can think to do is age-gate porn and ban books

[-] latenightnoir 2 points 3 hours ago

Yep, it's always about profit and control with these assholes, never about what's right or wrong. And even the religious pretext is just utter bullshit from where they're standing, using it to make the pill easier to swallow for the brainwashed masses, nothing more...

These people don't give a fuck about any sort of god or code, they just want more money and more power. That's all there is to it.

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[-] icelimit@lemmy.ml 17 points 6 hours ago

I have a great job lined up in the UK, I'm not sure I can take it up considering that is turning into this kind of shit hole.

[-] birdwing 4 points 4 hours ago

I wouldn't take it up, honestly. Best to go for somewhere in the EU instead.

The UK is a US puppet state, and pretty much showing it.

[-] icelimit@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

I'm EU adjacent, with better privacy laws and definitely aware of the role parents need to play in parenting and of government overreach. I'm happy here but dem monies

[-] birdwing 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Hmm, I don't know your situation, but if you're living in Switzerland, Norway, the Faroe Islands, or Iceland, I honestly would just recommend staying there.

If it's in Serbia, Montenegro, Kosovo, or Bosnia, then yeah, fair. But I thought none of those had good privacy laws?

Can't imagine Belarus, Ukraine, Russia, or Turkey have good privacy laws. And certainly not any of the North African countries...

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[-] Hauntology95@lemmy.ml 20 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

A friend recently told me that palantir has some sort of stake in this data management for the OSA? Is this true? I know they’ve had a deal with NHS England for a few years

If so, our world is taking a very scary turn

If anyone hasn’t I’d advise to do research on palantir, Peter thiel and Curtis Yarvin for a window into the psychology of the people pushing us down this road

Here’s a great video on the subject

[-] birdwing 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

If Thiel's mafia organisation (I refuse to call that scrap by sir Tolkien's works' names) has a deal with the NHS, then that should be ended ASAP. Fuck that, that's some serious spying.

Capitalism is shit, but there are things where it especially NEVER, EVER should have any access, power or influence, directly or indirectly:

  • Health services
  • Parliaments, committees, assemblies
  • Nature
  • Housing
  • Water and food
  • National security
[-] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 23 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

[Find in Page:] "Parent"=0 "Parents"=0 "Father"=0 "Mother"=0

It's their job to guard their kids from this content first and foremost. It's their job to put it into context for their children. But the article doesn't even mention that any of this is a humongous failing of parents.

Next this commissioner will want to outlaw computer mice because they're used to click pornographic content without verifying the age of the finger on the button. And roads because adult content actors use them to get to jobs.

The way forward is not banning or making worse all sorts of useful tools as collateral damage in this "think of the children" campaign. It is to get all adult content everywhere behind a barrier toddlers cannot break. We were fine with porn mags partially obscured on the top shelf at a news agent when that was a thing. And the salesperson making sure the customer wasn't a minor. The solution isn't closing all digital news agents.

And it's quite telling that the existence of VPNs didn't play a bigger part in this UK online safety initiative. Like it wasn't obvious that when the west entrance to porn central was closed off, people wouldn't naturally look for the ones in east, north, and south.

Edited typo

[-] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago
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[-] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 12 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

stop making housing so expensive instead of thinking about children every hour ministers

[-] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 6 hours ago

ffs, authoritarian overreaching technologically illiterate BS. This also won't work if you're determined, make sure you have a paid up VPS!

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