For those of you in countries that care about people and push pedestrian safety in vehicle design: take a close look at that front bumper if you haven't.
that will be the bike
The limiter on an ebike also protects the 14 year old kid riding it from going too fast. If it didn't have limits then it'd be an electric motorbike that would need licencing, insurance, roadworthiness etc.
OK but I'm not 14 nor are most of the people riding electric bikes. You can voluntarily put a limiter on it if your kid is riding it.
What does the 14yo have to do with licensing, insurance and roadworthiness?
It's totally possible to put age restrictions on activities without requireing licensing, insurance or anything else. You don't need a license or insurance to drink, for example.
But it’s also illegal to be drunk in public
I don’t know about you but I would very much like there to be restrictions on the size and speed of vehicles in bike lanes and I have personally witnessed a ton of assholes riding the good ol dui-cycles blasting 30mph on a multiuse path with pedestrians and normal cyclists. All that does is turn what are supposed to be safe paths into another area where you can injured my a motorized vehicle.
We already have requirements for motorized vehicles and the whole purpose of the max speed on the bikes is so that they aren’t considered mopeds which have had regulatory requirements for decades
But it’s also illegal to be drunk in public
If you live in a puritanic theocracy, then this is true.
We already have requirements for motorized vehicles and the whole purpose of the max speed on the bikes is so that they aren’t considered mopeds which have had regulatory requirements for decades
Look up why moped regulations (including speed limiters and speed limits) were introduced.
It was done because car lobbyists wanted to make sure that mopeds sucked bad enough that people would continue to buy cars instead of smaller, lower power vehicles.
Your argument might make sense if there wasn’t the higher power powered motorcycles without regulation…
Motorcycle- no max speed or horsepower and requires maximum amount of regulations
Moped - less horsepower and less regulations
Motorized bicycle - even lower hp/speed with minimal regulations
Companies keep trying to blur the lines between motorized bicycles and mopeds instead of giving Americans the usable commuter mopeds that exist in other countries like India.
usable commuter mopeds
You're talking about 125cc bikes like Honda Airblade, Wave or Activa, that do 55mph stock?
Those are the exact things that blur the line between scooter and motorcycle. IMO the american equivalent would need to go a bit faster to be safe on highways.
Look up why moped regulations (including speed limiters and speed limits) were introduced.
It was done because car lobbyists wanted to make sure that mopeds sucked bad enough that people would continue to buy cars instead of smaller, lower power vehicles.
Do you have a source for this claim? I tried to look it up but just got the justification (to keep them under the motorcycle classification). I don't really doubt you but verification would be nice.
To be fair that truck is unsafe at any speed.
Even sitting in the parking lot people bash their legs on the tow hitch.
bash their legs on the tow hitch
I doubt that very much, see as it's practically at eye-level.
At the rate many pedestrians are locked into looking down at their phones, eye level obstructions are maybe more dangerous.
The height actually makes it worse cause they will often have a drop hitch to get low enough to meet the trailer, this tends to make it even less noticeable that there is a hitch at shin level.
Fuck cars, but also fuck idiots on unlicensed 40mph Temu deathtraps.
Want to go Bertie Big Bollocks fast, grow some leg muscles.
Tbf, an idiot in a 40mph temu deathtrap crashing against you would still do roughly half the damage of one of those trucks crashing against you at 10mph. But yeah, I hate them too.
The electric bicycle doesn't require a license to use. Supposedly you have been properly trained in the operation of a vehicle and are licensed to use it before getting behind the wheel. Supposedly. In reality the DMV hands licenses out like Halloween candy.
I hit 50 MPH on downhills on my regular human-powered bicycle. Don't need a license or training for that either.
The arguments made for bicycles being speed limited make sense, because it's not just about licensing requirements (what precious few there are...) but also mechanical limits on safe operation and a need to find a balance between individual freedom and public safety.
This is also the reason why, in Europe at least, all trucks have a 90 km/h governor by law, even though truck drivers are licensed to a higher standard than car drivers.
Cars being excluded from the conversations we are having about trucks and bicycles and motorcycles is nothing but pure hypocrisy. But then again, when has hypocrisy ever stopped a politician?
I'd say the speed limits on ebikes are primarily there for the safety of the operator, not others. Pretty much all cars nowadays have similar electronic limits.
They are there because ebikes often share space with pedestrians, and bycicle paths are much more likely to intersect
For instance my wrangler is limited to about 80 through the engineering of a low power engine and the wind resistance of a cardboard box.
The people getting the limiter laws passed aren't doing it for rider safety, they're doing it because their constituent's confirmation bias and motornormativity is causing them to phone or write in complaints that they would have never made over a near-death encounter with a pickup truck.
Which one of these vehicles expects to be operated in pedestrian spaces?
I don't know why this is so hard. Cars should also have speed limiters, and the reason they don't is bullshit tradition. As we invent the next paradigm in personal transportation we shouldn't be making the same mistakes. I really can't imagine how anyone could disagree with this unless they are acting in bad faith.
The existence of ebikes doesn't depreciate the existence of motorcycles or mopeds. If you want a motorcycle or moped then get one, but don't pretend it's ok to ride it on bike paths.
Furthermore, in contrast to a car, I see people in bycicles and even ebikes far less willing to brake for any obstacles or civilians in their path. This is because they are less adept at accelerating and braking, so they want to conserve momentum above all else. They also have less visibility at a glance given how bad or completely absent most bicycle mirrors are, and maintaining stability, having to operate the pedals, and having to turn your head and body far more often while being in a far more uncomfortable position makes for a far more stressed operator.
I've always considered it absurd that scooters can't have seats in a lot of countries, this is the one thing bicycles and ebikes get right and it allows for a safer ride with the possibility to rest from the stress of it. Being able to walk and use the road shouldn't be a vehicle training issue, it should be road education training issue. Speed, that is one that varies significantly, like Germany's autobahn shows. Cars can receive traffic tickets and revoking licenses. On an ebike, there isn't a license to revoke, and 25km/h is already considerably dangerous to bystanders, specially coming from a vehicle that far from being designed and tested for collisions is a mesh of protruding elements instead that also has the absence of an insurance provider for when accidents do happen
This is fuck cars, don't expect common sense to predominate, people here hate cars as if they were in a religion dedicated to it. I wonder how many just live in a bubble of privilege where the countries are wealthy enough to have the carless transit infrastructure and their lifestyles are sedentary enough and localized in a sufficiently centralized urban hub where they can actually hold those beliefs.
I'm for options. Where I live there is no option. You must drive. The busses come once and hour and go nowhere useful itnseems. There are few sidewalks and fewer bike lanes. Even if you wanted to ride a bike there's strides everywhere making it dangerous AF.
I want the option to drive, or walk, or ride a bike, or take a bus.
Ebikes typically have a speed limiter. That brodozer doesn't because they modded it.
However, some go fuck-all by rolling their own ebikes for higher speeds to get around license restrictions normally needed for a motorcycle.
I could take a picture of my truck that's governed to 90mph and one of those overpowered ebikes that only have pedals for regulatory reasons (that people ride dangerously on bike/pedestrian paths all the time) and ask the same thing. Don't get me wrong, I hate our society's dependence on cars, but this isn't making much of a point.
The regulatory reasons are actually what the speed limit on bikes is about. Lots of places, once you're powered and going over 20mph they become motorcycles, meaning they can only be used on roads, require blinkers, brake lights, horns, registration, licensing, insurance, etc.
So the manufacturers have the motor cut off at 20mph to keep them classified as bicycles.
I suggest you look up the number of peopls killed evey year by bicycles and compare it to the number killed by pickups. I'll wait.
You could and you’d be making a similar point to the OP: cars are far more dangerous and have governors only to protect the engine from damage, not to protect people.
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