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[-] ronigami@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago

I mean, it is objectively bad for life. Throwing away millions to billions of gallons of water all so you can get some dubious coding advice.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 36 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Whether intentional or not, this is gaslighting. "Here's the trendy reaction those wacky lemmings are currently upvoting!"

Getting to the core issue, of course we're sick of AI, and have a negative opinion of it! It's being forced into every product, whether it makes sense or not. It's literally taking developer jobs, then doing worse. It's burning fossil fuels and VC money and then hallucinating nonsense, but still it's being jammed down our throats when the vast majority of us see no use-case or benefit from it. But feel free to roll your eyes at those acknowledging the truth...

[-] Zink@programming.dev 10 points 2 days ago

What is the gaslighting here? A trend, or the act of pointing out a trend, do not seem like gaslighting to me. At most it seems like bandwagon propaganda or the satire thereof.

For the second paragraph, I agree we (Lemmings) are all pretty against it and we can be echo-chambery about it. You know, like Linux!

But I would also DISagree that we (population of earth) are all against it.

[-] haungack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It seems like the most immature and toxic thing to me to invoke terms like "gaslighting," ironically "toxic," and all the other terms you associate with these folks, defensively and for any reason, whether it aligns with what the word actually means or not. Like a magic phrase that instantly makes the person you use it against evil, manipulative and abusive, and the person that uses it a moral saint and vulnerable victim. While indirectly muting all those who have genuine uses for the terms. Or i'm just going mad exaggerating, and it's just the typical over- and mis-using of words.

Anyhow, sadly necessary disclaimer, i agree with almost all of the current criticism raised against AI, and my disagreements are purely against mischaracterizations of the underlying technology.

EDIT: I just reminded myself of when a teacher went ballistic at class for misusing the term "antisocial," saying we're eroding and polluting all genuine and very serious uses of the term. Hm, yeah it's probably just that same old thing. Not wrong for going ballistic over it, though.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago

Are you honestly claiming a shitpost is gaslighting?

What a world we live in.

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[-] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 3 days ago
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[-] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 47 points 3 days ago

The currently hot LLM technology is very interesting and I believe it has legitimate use cases. If we develop them into tools that help assist work. (For example, I'm very intrigued by the stuff that's happening in the accessibility field.)

I mostly have problem with the AI business. Ludicruous use cases (shoving AI into places where it has no business in). Sheer arrogance about the sociopolitics in general. Environmental impact. LLMs aren't good enough for "real" work, but snake oil salesmen keep saying they can do that, and uncritical people keep falling for it.

And of course, the social impact was just not what we were ready for. "Move fast and break things" may be a good mantra for developing tech, but not for releasing stuff that has vast social impact.

I believe the AI business and the tech hype cycle is ultimately harming the field. Usually, AI technologies just got gradually developed and integrated to software where they served purpose. Now, it's marred with controversy for decades to come.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

If we develop them into tools that help assist work.

Spoilers: We will not

I believe the AI business and the tech hype cycle is ultimately harming the field.

I think this is just an American way of doing business. And it's awful, but at the end of the day people will adopt technology if it makes them greater profit (or at least screws over the correct group of people).

But where the Americanized AI seems to suffer most is in their marketing fully eclipsing their R&D. People seem to have forgotten how DeepSeek spiked the football on OpenAI less than a year ago by making some marginal optimizations to their algorithm.

The field isn't suffering from the hype cycle nearly so much as it suffers from malinvestment. Huge efforts to make the platform marketable. Huge efforts to shoehorn clumsy chat bots into every nook and cranny of the OS interface. Vanishingly little effort to optimize material consumption or effectively process data or to segregate AI content from the human data it needs to improve.

[-] MisterD@lemmy.ca 46 points 3 days ago
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[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 28 points 3 days ago

The reason most web forum posters hate AI is because AI is ruining web forums by polluting it with inauthentic garbage. Don't be treating it like it's some sort of irrational bandwagon.

[-] ComradeMiao@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Wait to power tripper db0 sees this. Crying that their ai photos in all their coms are cringe

[-] r00ty@kbin.life 132 points 4 days ago

Now see, I like the idea of AI.

What I don't like are the implications, and the current reality of AI.

I see businesses embracing AI without fully understanding the limits. Stopping the hiring juniors developers, often firing large numbers of seniors because they think AI, a group of cheap post grad vibe programmers and a handful of seasoned seniors will equal the workforce they got rid of when AI, while very good is not ready to sustain this. It is destroying the career progression for the industry and even if/when they realise it was a mistake, it might already have devastated the industry by then.

I see the large tech companies tearing through the web illegally sucking up anything they can access to pull into their ever more costly models with zero regard to the effects on the economy, the cost to the servers they are hitting, or the environment from the huge power draw creating these models requires.

It's a nice idea, but private business cannot be trusted to do this right, we're seeing how to do it wrong, live before our eyes.

[-] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 37 points 4 days ago

And the whole AI industry is holding up the stock market, while AI has historically always ran the hype cycle and crashed into an AI winter. Stock markets do crash after billions pumped into a sector suddenly turn out to be not worth as much. Almost none of these AI companies run a profit and don't have any prospect of becoming profitable. It's when everybody starts yelling that this time it's different that things really become dangerous.

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[-] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 73 points 4 days ago

The problem isn't AI. The problem is Capitalism.

The problem is always Capitalism.

AI, Climate Change, rising fascism, all our problems are because of capitalism.

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[-] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 34 points 3 days ago

Lots of AI is technologically interesting and has tons of potential, but this kind of chatbot and image/video generation stuff we got now is just dumb.

[-] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I firmly believe we won't get most of the interesting, "good" AI until after this current AI bubble bursts and goes down in flames. Once AI hardware is cheap interesting people will use it to make cool things. But right now, the big players in the space are drowning out anyone who might do real AI work that has potential, by throwing more and more hardware and money at LLMs and generative AI models because they don't understand the technology and see it as a way to get rich and powerful quickly.

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[-] Truscape 56 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Distributed platform owned by no one founded by people who support individual control of data and content access

Majority of users are proponents of owning what one makes and supporting those who create art and entertainment

AI industry shits on above comments by harvesting private data and creative work without consent or compensation, along with being a money, energy, and attention tar pit

Buddy, do you know what you're here for?

EDIT: removed bot accusation, forgot to check user history

[-] dactylotheca@suppo.fi 39 points 4 days ago

Or are you yet another bot lost in the shuffle?

Yes, good job, anybody with opinions you don't like is a bot.

It's not like this was even a pro-AI post rather than just pointing out that even the most facile "ai bad, applause please" stuff will get massively upvoted

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[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 39 points 4 days ago

Its true. We can have a nuanced view. Im just so fucking sick of the paid off media hyping this shit, and normies thinking its the best thing ever when they know NOTHING about it. And the absolute blind trust and corpo worship make me physically ill.

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

I find it very funny how just a mere mention of the two letters A and I will cause some people to seethe and fume, and go on rants about how much they hate AI, like a conservative upon seeing the word "pronouns."

[-] Vupware@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 days ago

One of these topics is about class consciousness, those other is about human rights.

An AI is not a person.

Someone with they/them pronouns is a person.

They have no business being compared to one another!

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

It's a comparison of people, not of subjects. In becoming blind with rage upon seeing the letters A and I you act the same as a conservative person seeing the word "pronouns."

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[-] RushLana 42 points 4 days ago

How people dare not like the automatic bullshit machine pushed down their troat...

Seriously, genrative AI acomplishment are :

  • Making mass spam easier
  • Burning the planet
  • Making people lose their job and not even being a decent solution
  • Make all search engine and information sources worse
  • Creating an economic bubble that will fuckup the economy even harder
  • Easing mass surveillance and weakening privacy everywhere
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[-] Mostly_Roblox@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago

I personally think of AI as a tool, what matters is how you use it. I like to think of it like a hammer. You could use a hammer to build a house, or you could smash someone's skull in with it. But no one's putting the hammer in jail.

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[-] Brotha_Jaufrey@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

Not all AI is bad. But there’s enough widespread AI that’s helping cut jobs, spreading misinformation (or in some cases, actual propaganda), creating deepfakes, etc, that in many people’s eyes, it paints a bad picture of AI overall. I also don’t trust AI because it’s almost exclusively owned by far right billionaires.

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[-] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 4 days ago

AI is bad and people who use it should feel bad.

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