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Supposed aliens landed in Mexico’s Congress but there were no saucer-shaped UFOs hovering over the historic building or bright green invaders like those seen in Hollywood films.

The specter of little green men visited Mexico City as lawmakers heard testimony Tuesday from individuals suggesting the possibility that extraterrestrials might exist. The researchers hailed from Mexico, the United States, Japan and Brazil.

The session, unprecedented in the Mexican Congress, took place two months after a similar one before the U.S. Congress in which a former U.S. Air Force intelligence officer claimed his country has probably been aware of “non-human” activity since the 1930s.

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[-] flossdaily@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago

It's so pathetic that all these UFO stories are being taken seriously by world governments. What's next? Will they turn down the lights in the capital and tell ghost stories?

[-] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

See my comment above.. It’s not pathetic - these issues deserve to be looked at seriously. It certainly seems our governments take UAP seriously.

I’d encourage you to educate yourself and delve into the topic to gain a little more insight rather than just broadly dismissing it and handwaving it away.

[-] danknodes@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 year ago

So we have debunkable poor quality video and untrustworthy eyewitness testimony. Extraordinary claims DO require extraordinary evidence, and this doesn't mean that every poor quality cellphone video needs to be "taken seriously".

How about if some actual astronomers and biologists could weigh in? I wonder if people could elaborate on this "70% DNA similarity", because as-is it is a suspiciously well crafted bite-sized talking point that is easy to grasp on the surface, perfect for conspiracy nutters to latch onto and parrot without getting into the actual science.

I'd encourage you to educate yourself on basic logic and the scientific method, instead of gullibly accepting these claims without sufficient evidence.

[-] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’m not discussing this guy and his alien body. It’s clear he’s not credible. So yeah of course, the 70% DNA thing is bs. I haven’t been discussing this guy in this thread.

I think you’re asking the wrong questions because you’re presupposing that UAP are extraterrestrial in origin (we may not require the expertise of astronomers).

These are not poor quality video - these are video taken by military cameras and radar systems which the Pentagon itself has released and discussed. Hundreds of trained pilots, including elite fighter pilots, reporting sightings over decades and decades - before the existence of advanced surveillance and drone technology. Obama stating in a television interview that things are flying in our skies and we don’t know what they are.

What we need is more transparency from the Pentagon and our governments in terms of what they have collected. We need access to the radar data of fighter planes (which as of right now is classified - no scientists have access). We need to know if UAP have ever been recovered.

Don’t you ever wonder what was shot down over Alaska and the Yukon this year? Canada’s defence minister clearly stated in her press conference that it was NOT a balloon like the one from the Atlantic coast that China confessed to - it was “an object.” Why are they concerned indigenous hunters may find it if it is innocuous?

These UAP either have large national security implications or they could be a completely new area of scientific study. These bare-bones facts warrant further exploration. And really if we never dreamed of exploring further we wouldn’t have many modern discoveries like the discovery microbes exist. That scientist was mocked by people too. We have to be willing to question our existing paradigms or we will never advance.

[-] SkyeStarfall 9 points 1 year ago

Or maybe they're just military secrets

You know, like they have been in the past.

[-] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Why wouldn’t the military just say that then?

“This was military technology tests and we will not elaborate further”

But they have not said that in these instances. Specifically, the orb video and tic tac videos are unknown. Why would the Pentagon itself release videos of something they know about if they didn’t want to comment on military secrets being tested?

So either the largest military in the world is shitting the bed and utterly failing to protect its own airspace and pilots from foreign military technology - and we should to figure out what it is; or the UAPs are something else, but the conclusion is the same:

We need to figure out what it is!

[-] SkyeStarfall 6 points 1 year ago

Figure out what it is? Sure, absolutely! But people are all jumping to the conclusions of aliens as soon as anything unknown is happening.

And for all we know, the US military may be intentionally trying to mislead the public, or whatever else. The US government already spies on everyone, it wouldn't be out of character for them.

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[-] flossdaily@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

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[-] sugartits@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It’s not pathetic

Yes it is

these issues deserve to be looked at seriously

No they don't.

/thread

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[-] flossdaily@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

If you think that's a serious issue, just wait until you hear about the escaped lunatic with a hook for a hand!

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[-] TruTollTroll@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

It's all about the distraction..

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[-] eltimablo@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I never expected Watchmen to become a documentary.

[-] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Only legislators seem to be taking this seriously not governments. I think it ties in to the rise of misinformation and conspiracy theories. Its being used as an approach to gain political favour amoung the populist right.

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago

So is there just something in the water all throughout North America or what?

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You see these kinds of claims everywhere. Maybe not aliens, mind. Before space and aliens were on everyone’s mind, people were abducted or fed on (among many other sordid things…) by vampires.

And demons and all sorts of other creatures.

Aliens are only the latest in a long list of boogeymen.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Fairies was more common than vampires. Being kidnapped by the fairies and even replaced with a changeling was a very common folk motif even into the 19th century.

[-] Lols@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

they generally dont get to talk in front of congress

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

This is a mistake by congress

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[-] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

It's definitely very US centric overall.
Reddit was (or rather still is) full of it this time around too and people in various subs called everyone who dismissed this obvious fraud (by the same fraudster that literally pulled the SAME fraud 5 years ago already) as being part of a CIA operation to cover this up.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

Mostly the U.S. to be honest.

[-] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

From the video "Data Source: https://nuforc.org/"

It's a US based website thats in English, of course non English speaking nations aren't going to be represented

[-] BleakBluets@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Somehow, it seems, you managed to cause PipedLinkBot to repost your YouTube link instead of the Piped link, which then triggers PipedLinkBot to reply to itself infinitely. Maybe because the link is to an unlisted video?

I don't know how to get it to stop. Maybe a moderator can ban it temporarily.

[-] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

It can't be stopped. It's self-sustaining now.

I reported the first comment, hopefully a mod spots it soon. Up to 35 replies

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[-] designatedhacker@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

I've been wondering about that too. This dude was already busted for passing off dolls as aliens. The article said they aren't even sure that he's made new dolls since then. So maybe this is just an opportunist that saw renewed interest.

More generally though, there's sort of a drumbeat of alien news from official sources. Like it's a psyop, but I don't know why. Maybe to give the Q-susceptible types something more controlled to fantasize about? Aliens are actually in contact and the govt wants to soften the blow? They made some badass weapon and want a cover story?

Guerrilla marketing for another X-Files reboot?

[-] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There is a a lot of legitimate inquiry occurring and as someone who does genuinely want answers, I am disappointed but not surprised that people like this guy are coming out of the woodwork and discrediting the work that has been done.

I truly believe that the renewed interest and news is because this topic has gotten too big to keep covering up. There are whistleblowers, trained fighter pilots, and commercial airline pilots coming forward and speaking to the legitimacy of UAPs. There is compelling civilian video because everyone now has a good camera in their pocket.

They have been captured on video that has been officially released by the Pentagon, including a video of a silver orb bearing resemblance to the “Foo fighter” UAP that pilots have been reporting since the Second World War. They are being discussed in official memos to Canada’s Prime Minister after our Defence Minister was clear that what was shot down was an object, not a balloon. The memo states that there is a risk that the object could be found by indigenous hunters - if it’s a weather balloon or something innocuous why would they care? They have been observed by US navy fighter pilots entering and exiting the ocean.

Look, I understand that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but we’re not even allowing broad, legitimate discourse about this topic without mockery and eye brow raising. How will we ever get to the bottom of what is happening if we can’t even seriously discuss it? Why would hundreds of trained pilots lie about what they have seen? It’s not just one guy. And it seems like it has been happening for a LONG time.

The questions I want answers to:

  • How long has the military/five-eyes really been tracking this phenomena.
  • Do we have any idea where they come from or what they are.
  • Have we recovered any craft.

However, at this point I would even accept an official saying yes they’re real and it’s not human or no here’s what they are with a thorough explanation but we don’t even get that much.

[-] SkyeStarfall 7 points 1 year ago

So they break our understanding of physics, but we are able to shoot them down?

And they have been showing themselves, just out of sight, for decades? Without any other effects?

If they're aliens capable of interstellar travel, then they really suck at utilizing their technology, which would be far far more advanced than ours. Or they're doing this intentionally, which also would make no sense. Other explanations are far simpler and more plausible.

The reason people mock this is because people go to the most outrageous conclusions before anything more reasonable, without sufficient proof to rule out simpler explanations. You know, a process which every other field of science uses.

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[-] jarfil@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

we’re not even allowing broad, legitimate discourse about this topic without mockery and eye brow raising.

Blame the decades (over a century?) of grifters taking advantage of people's gullibility.

It doesn't help that there is not a single solid proof, or that top secret information is not just available to anyone with a clearance, but only on a "need to know" basis. If there was actual proof, and there was an actual aircraft, or even actual contact... what would you do with that knowledge? Do you "need" to know, or just "want" to know?

As far as I see, there are three possible scenarios:

  1. There is nothing, it's just a bunch of sensor glitches, visual illusions, and imagination from people who want to believe.
  2. There are no ETs, just advanced technology, that no country wants to reveal before using it by surprise in the next war.
  3. There are ETs, the technology is millennia more advanced than ours, for all intents and purposes it looks like magic, we can't reverse-engineer it, or stop it, or even properly detect it, and we may not even be the ones deciding who gets to know.

Which one would you want to believe?

I've personally known people whose accounts point to scenario 3... even I have personally seen things that have been hard to explain... but without proof, they could all be just a mix of 1 and 2.

Or a glitch in the Matrix 🤷

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[-] jarfil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lead? Microplastics? Dihydrogen monoxide...?

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[-] ThePac@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 year ago

This is embarassing for Mexico.

[-] spamfajitas@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

More so or less than another Virgin Mary sighting under an overpass?

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[-] peyotecosmico@programming.dev 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Let me try to explain this as someone that lives in Mexico, Jaime Maussan is like a cheap version of Fox Mulder or that "Aliens" meme guy from history channel. Bigfoot, loch Ness, martians, etc you name it.

Nothing new for us but he must be thrilled that someone from outside Mexico pays attention to him.

[-] BurnedDonutHole@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

And he already tried this couple years back with a mummy with 3 fingers and DNA showed it was a human child. I wouldn't hold my breath for these to be anything different.

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[-] sndmn@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago

This is a distraction. Something nefarious is going on unrelated to this nonsense.

[-] stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

You mean like the entirety of the world collapsing and burning alive.

Yeah

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 9 points 1 year ago

Don't attribute malice where stupidity would suffice.

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[-] TwoGems@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

It ties in with Qanon narratives too. Most of those conspiracy theorists believe "aliens" run the show, Trump/Biden is a clone and other wacky shit. It's funny how grifters like this guy try to keep the narrative going for the delusional. It reinforces their beliefs, kind of like Sound of Freedom validates Qanon beliefs about human trafficking.

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[-] Mammal@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

For once I'm glad this is an example of pure stupid that isn't coming from the USA.

[-] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Cartel and mafia team up to try to distract dumb Americans while they fuck with our elections and puppet naive politicians to become president.

[-] fruitleatherpostcard@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

My favourite part was when the little aliens suddenly got up and did a little song and dance number.

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