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Thanks! It means Light Bringer!
wait is lucifer just prometheus
- gave knowledge to humans
- punished by more powerful beings for doing so
It would seem like it, but he's actually a reference to Uther the Lightbringer from Warcraft.
yes according to myth, prometheus develops hypochondria after bringing humans the light of knowledge. it means he feels like dying daily by a significant pain under his chest/side, but then he doesn't die.
Wat?
Isn't the myth that Zeus finds out and chains him to a rock, cursing him to be visited by an eagle every morning to eat his liver which, being immortal, will regrow every night, thus subjecting him to eternal torment?
Am I missing some reference here?
I don't know the exact intent of the person to whom you were replying, but the liver is in the chest area and, presumably, having it eaten would cause significant pain.
I get that but what I don't get is the accusations that "Prometheus became a hypochondriac". Prometheus wasn't real. He is a supernatural entity created to explain a historical event that they knew nothing about. He is a character in a story, a story that they mentioned nothing about except for "chest pain".
I'm sorry, I have no further info for you at this time.
yeah i speculate it simply codes for hypochondria
That's kinda weird of an assumption.
It's just a fictional story used as a placeholder in lieu of historical evidence of the actual event in question (discovery of fire). Same way that they explain the existence of horses as being "gifts from Poseidon made of sea foam".
It's just illogical nonsense, from a time period that did not understand the fallacy of their logic, attempting to explain things they did not fully understand from their limited knowledge available to them at the time.
that's a very reductionist view of mythology though. surely people back then didn't know the diameter of an atom, but they made observations and packed these observations into neat, memorizable stories. hypochondria is a real phenomenon, and what i'm guessing is that the greek mythologers connected "bringing knowledge to the people" to hypochondria.
i'm making that claim because i've observed various times in my life that hypochondria seems to affect a certain type of people, me included. and i kinda resonate with what prometheus was supposed to stand for. so that's that.
Yes but fire is also a real phenomenon, which is what the myth is actually about: an explanation of how humanity discovered fire according to the cultural beliefs of the era.
Prometheus brought knowledge of fire to the people.
The rest of the tale is to make it fit into the establishmed mythos of what they believed the gods to be. Prometheus stole fire from Zeus, so Zeus retaliated against Prometheus with a cruel punishment, as he does in many other mythos when he has been crossed because that is how the mythos has characterized him.
You're also forgetting to account that this was a time period where they thought these myths were explanations of reality, not fantasy. To them these weren't just short stories but perceived as legitimate historical analysis.
Saying it is about hypochondria is reaching and, according to what you just said, projecting personal bias into the story.
yeah ok considering it's all myth anyways, i like to give meaning to it, my own if i have to
i'll add on to asking what the hell you're on about, prometheus very clearly and literally has his liver eaten, am i a hypochondriac if my hand gets chopped of and i start screaming?
yeah but he doesn't die, so in a sense it's imagined, because if the eagle was really eating his liver, he'd obviously die. so, he just experiences it as if an eagle was eating his liver.
what do you mean "in a sense"? the story is pretty dang straight-forward: he's bound to a rock, an eagle eats his liver every day, over night it grows back. It's not in any way shape or form hypochondric, it's just magical torture.
you really have to actively want it to be hypochondria to find a way to interpret it as such.
I can't even picture the apple, much less make it do something.
Y'all who have pictures in your heads are fucking weird. /j
How do you remeber how to get somewhere? I picture all the turns I need to take.
Not the person you're replying to.
I also use pictures,but I have a 2d map in my head of my entire city, it's relatively vague in areas I don't go to often but most of the time I pick a location on my map and just instantly know the way there
Yea this absolutely is not how it works for me.
There is literally nothing inside my head. Pitch blackness. Just a void of information that I can piece together to get an idea.
Like "I know X business is on the Southside of town and on Y Street. I know Y Street connects to ##HWY. The highway runs E-W, and these streets that run N-S connect to ##HWY..." So on and so forth until I have a connected path from point A to Point B.
It's fascinating that people are like this. Like how do you have ideas? If I'm going to make something I can kinda see what I want it to be in my head. Or when I try to go to sleep by just imagining scenarios and things.
The ideas just lack visual/auditory components. its all just concepts and intangible information.
Like when I draw, I know how I want it to turn out as well. I just don't "see" any of it until I put it on paper but all the logic behind why I want it that way is still there. I know what I want to convey through the art and what will let me do that. I know what objects I want to be in the image. I know the general color palette and style I want to draw in to convey a specific mood. The metaphors, allegories, or any other references I want to make.
Sleeping fucking sucks. It's just laying in the dark listening to ambient noises for hours waiting until the moment the world skips a beat and I'm waking back up. Sometimes my mind runs on its own but it isn't really "imagining" anything more just running logic scenarios, endlessly speculating the "What if?"s about all my life's regrets but that's not really healthy and just keeps me up longer.
I know the names of streets I need to take and the direction of travel I should be heading on those streets.
I know my city like I know the back of my hand. Which streets connect, which streets have which landmarks, and the general direction from the city center of where those landmarks are.
By combining all of these facts I can logic my way through where I am from almost anywhere in the city.
We literally have a glance at a map to chain together and cache "two blocks ahead, left, cross and [look] west"
Imagine you "see" the map but you don't see it at all, even in your head. You just 'feel' the way to go, like "I recognise this curve, I think I know this is the right way".
Like that.
i do the same but my "visualization" is very very strange, i don't see things as much as i feel them and just know stuff like colour and texture and whatnot, and it's fairly low fidelity most of the time (like a low res image scaled up so it's blurry but still recognizable), but at the same time it.. feels like i see things in my mind?
I think the best way i can explain it is like if you could feel colours when touching them, and i'm running my hands over a relief print of things. It's not vision but it's also basically the same.
So. If you visualise like a curve you feel the curve bend to the left or right rather than see it? Like touching the surface with your hands?
like i said it's weird and that's just the closest approximation, what i actually experience is more of an extra sense akin to proprioception but that sense is itself hard to notice if you're not familiar with it (proprioception is how you know where your limbs are, so you can touch your fingers without seeing them). I'm not literally experiencing a sense of touch when i imagine things.
And i don't literally see anything overlaid ontop of my regular vision with my eyes open, if i close my eyes and try to visualize things i can manage a faint silhouette against the weird noise you see when it's completely dark, and i can make it move and change to a minor degree.
But if i imagine a pipe curving to the left it's like a 3d model in a computer without a display, i'm not seeing it but at the same time it's very much there and i can.. see it without seeing it? It doesn't make any more sense to me either, it's kind of a baffling thing when i pay attention to it like this..
I'm not just omnisciently aware of the thing i'm imagining, it's very much from a normal perspective, but it's sorta like it's a wireframe model so i can also see the rear side of things, and again that's just the best way i can think of to try to explain how the actual experience is..
And all this is on a separate mental.. channel? display? that i can overlay on reality if i want, which is when it really becomes an extension of proprioception because i can "feel" the thing(s) around me despite not seeing jack diddly squat.
I should also note that i have pretty good audio imagination, if i'm in a completely silent room my mind is basically an mp3 player, it feels like i'm replaying things in perfect fidelity though if i pay a bit of attention to it i do notice that it's pretty obviously not actually perfect fidelity, it's just what my brain thinks perfect fidelity sounds like, which is a pretty wild thing to experience. My brain is studying itself and giving itself criticism..
like how do I know if I can actually picture it or not
Perform the following request. Only when you have done so, reveal the question that is hidden under the spoiler tag and answer as best you can.
— Imagine a ball in your mind. Hold it clearly as you can in your mind.
Got it? Now answer the following...
spoiler
What color is the ball?
If the question doesn't make sense, you might have some form of aphantasia and do not have visual imagination.
Anyone who grew up watching Spongebob should be able to do this. Just picture the rotating high-def live action Krabby Patty they use anytime for dramatic effect. Now replace it with an apple. Shing! Sparkle sparkle...
I can't :(
i have no idea if i can
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