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[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 238 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Because they insist on mixing the audio in a shitty way so unless you want to fiddle with the audio-level every 5 seconds or have your eardrums shattered by action/suspense-scenes, you can't hear dialogue and need subs to understand what the fuck is going on...

Edit: and before people start saying "5.1 in stereo is the cause!1!!1!1", no forcing stereo does absolutely nothing to alleviate this.

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 72 points 1 week ago

It's not that it's mixed shitty, it's that they never remixed it for new releases. So it still uses the theater audio mix and range where there's 12,000+ watts of audio power available and like 12 audio channels.

When they actually remix it to a home release format the issues almost always go away. Even remixing for 5.1 most TVs can downmix to stereo just fine.

[-] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Hyperrealistic acting also doesn't help. Lots of actors insist on mumbling in a way that makes it hard to understand even if in a cinema.

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[-] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

What about direct to streaming shows. They still have the same problem. Not saying it does not happen, but its mostly shitty mixing. Especially in American shows.

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[-] BorgDrone@feddit.nl 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Edit: and before people start saying "5.1 in stereo is the cause!1!!1!1", no forcing stereo does absolutely nothing to alleviate this.

The ‘problem’ is dynamic range. They mix movies with a large dynamic range because explosions and shit are a lot louder than spoken words. You are supposed to have your eardrums shattered during action scenes. That’s how it’s intended to be listened to.

Could they mix it differently? Sure, but that would mean that the people who want to watch it as intended can’t. There is also no reason to because you can simply adjust this during playback. Any half-decent A/V receiver will have an option for dynamic range compression. Just because you didn’t set up your surround sound system properly doesn’t mean the movie is badly mixed.

[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't have a surround system...I have 2.1 stereo, and even with dynamic range compression this is an issue. And it's not just explosions, things like suspenseful music is also loud as shit which is unnecessary.

I don't want eardrums shattered when watching a movie, nobody wants that, it's unpleasant and 100% unnecessary for watching at home.

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[-] hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 week ago

a/v receiver

didnt setup your surround system

I got a soundbar. Some look at this like a luxury. You are expecting a receiver?

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[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 76 points 1 week ago

We use subtitles because the sound mixing is fucking terrible in most media now. It's set up for massive theatres where dialogue sounds normal and gunfire or explosions sounds realistically loud. But I'm not trying to have realistically loud explosions in my living room on my Vizio, so the volume is set accordingly, meaning you can't make out words half the time.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 29 points 1 week ago

I've got a decent 5.1 system. It brings the boom boom when needed.

Still need subtitles. I blame the lack of theatre trained actors. The Hollywood gang mumble.

[-] kieron115@startrek.website 6 points 1 week ago

In the early days of television, directors really only had the choice of using theater trained actors since those were all that existed. Theater actors are trained to speak in that way so that they can be clearly understood on stage even without mics. But people don't actually speak that way, and modern directors seem to have a preference for "natural performances" so I wouldn't necessarily blame the actors. They may just be doing what they've been directed to do.

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[-] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago

In the show Andor, there is a character named "Kleaha" But until about halfway through season 2, I thought it was Princess Leaha. It was only that I saw the subtitle that wrote her name out that let me know it was a different person.

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[-] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 74 points 1 week ago

For fucks sake, can we just get releases that have separate audio tracks for dialogue, music, and effects that we the viewer can decide how we want to hear it?

Video games figured this out

I don't want the explosions to be so loud that it wakes my entire house.

[-] TeddE@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Yeah! It would sure be nice if we took accessibility issues seriously.

Like one lesson we learned as a society in the aftermath of implementing strong ADA laws (in the US) is that what's needed for the bare minimum for some of us is often really nice for the rest of us.

For example: if you're delivering a dolly of boxes to a building, the wheelchair ramp really beats working the dolly up the stairs.

It would be amazing if dialog were a separate channel, if only so that it can be boosted for the hard of hearing. If that meant more options for remixing for you and me - oh no?

It would be amazing if the subtitles were available and accurate. Great if you can't hear the audio. It's useful for scrubbing if you want to remember and find a obscure movie quote.

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[-] TheSambassador@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

No, the directors intent is more important, and obviously you need a full Dolby speaker system to properly enjoy. /s

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[-] dumbass@quokk.au 57 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm hard of hearing and Hollywood insists on making dialogue bearly audible, so I need to use subtitles to understand wtf the character just mumbled.

Also, she doesn't suck at eating popcorn, that's the suprise popcorn you find after you've demolished the rest of the popcorn.

[-] frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip 42 points 1 week ago
[-] Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

Ants can't read dumbass. Subtitles don't cause ants, trans people do.

And sometimes trans people become aunts. They then dote on the larva like a good ant aunt does.

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[-] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 week ago

I for one love having to turn it right up to hear the actors mumble important plot points at eachother right before gunshots or jarring violin stingers damage my speakers/ear drums/wake my kids up.

Dunno why you're pussying around with subtitles lol.

[-] EnsignWashout@startrek.website 1 points 6 days ago

Exactly! If I'm not clutching the mute button for dear life, an I really having a relaxing movie night?

[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

The sound is often so fucked up. Music, explosions, guns, cars etc are so fucking loud, but conversations are very dim, as if people are almost whispering. It's often very hard to hear what people are saying, especially when eating crisps.

I always use English subs, even when watching stuff in my own language (Dutch)

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[-] krull_krull@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Also a lot of people forget that English is the international language, and most of the non-native speaker can't really hear the pronunciation correctly. Well, i don't at least.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

most of the non-native speaker can't really hear the pronunciation correctly.

Either that, or the audio quality is just bad.

(I'm looking at you, Christopher Nolan)

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[-] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 31 points 1 week ago

Audio levels are mixed horribly and go crazy loud with music but i cant fucking hear anyone talking. It feels like around 2010 or something tv shows and movies were like "lets just forget about voices and let everyone hear explosions and shitty driving music".

Its not my ears because YouTube folks who can mix their audio properly are easy to hear. Anime is mixed well usually with voices.

Its the studios doing this for whatever reason unknown to us.

I use subtitles 100% of the time now.

[-] xthexder@l.sw0.com 16 points 1 week ago

For anything cinematic, the intent is usually to get more dynamic range. If you turn it up enough that the dialogue is audible, then the explosions will be as loud as an actual explosion. Fine in a movie theater, not so much in an apartment complex.

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[-] criticon@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

Mostly is because it's mixed for 5.1

The center channel takes care of most of the dialog and the rest is distributed to 4 satellite (and usually smaller) speakers but when it's down sampled to stereo everything has the same level

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[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

I turn on subtitles to subtley force my kid to read. He's got ADHD like me, but mine made me read at a super early age, while he struggles with it. To me, it's a way to expose him to words and the spelling as they come. My dad struggled with reading as well and basically just memorized most words and their pronunciation instead of actually learning to read. If that helps the kiddo, then I don't mind it, but I secretly turn it off by myself, and turn it back on when I'm done.

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[-] Flamekebab@piefed.social 14 points 1 week ago

How bizarre. I detest subtitles for myself as I end up reading rather than watching the content - compulsively.

I've never had an issue hearing dialogue so I'm perplexed as to what audio setups are being used to make things so lousy for so many people.

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[-] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

As a millennial that had Gen X and boomer relatives... So do they, especially as they got older.

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[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Yeh you can watch at lower volume with subtitles because even if you don't conciously look at them it still helps your brain interpret the sounds and make up for anything you miss due to the reduced volume.

[-] PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 8 points 1 week ago

I mean, she does suck but isn't that the norm?

I can't eat popcorn anywhere without needing to hoover up around me afterwards, and I ain't untidy by any means!

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[-] josefo@leminal.space 7 points 1 week ago

I have hearing loss, and from this thread I gather most of you have it too lol. Yeah, probably sound mixing is bad, but do yourself a favor and get checked. Your life quality can really improve if you treat this condition.

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[-] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago
[-] Jhuskindle@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I enjoy reading. I also prefer text to phone call. I enjoy subtitles.

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