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[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 338 points 6 days ago

We can blame the religious organisation as much as we want, but the fundamental problem here is payment processors. They should be common carriers. Content-neutral middlemen who facilitate payment to anything that isn't literally unlawful. This is no different to an ISP throttling access to Netflix because they operate their own streaming platform. If the storefront, the developer, and the buyer are all ok with a transaction, there's no good reason for a fourth party to stand in the way of that.

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 122 points 6 days ago

Yeah, payment processing is among the many many many industries that ought to be nationalized so they can be administered in a transparent and democratic manner (see also, healthcare education housing electricity internet etc.)

There's just too much opportunity to use it to manipulate markets and oppress minority viewpoints for it to remain in private hands imo

[-] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Putting the ridicoulous idea that governments are fair and transparent aside, payment processors need to be international. Otherwise, most countries will not be able to access services because their local payment processor is not supported by smaller websites.

However, the payment processors should be regulated with something similar to net neutrality so they can't discriminate payments. And EU could probably launch a government run competitor to dilute their duopoly.

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[-] chunes@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

To me it's insane that food also isn't on that list. Anything that isn't a luxury can't be trusted to be handled by capitalism.

[-] HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

So you want Trump and MAGA politicians to be able to deny your payments instead?

The problem with "just let the government do it" is when the government is run by people like this.

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[-] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 84 points 6 days ago
Collective shout finacials
year: 2024
revenue: 458043
employee_expenses: 107000
other_expenses: 215488
net_surplus: 135555
employees: 
  total_fte: 2
  full_time: 0
  part_time: 1
  casual: 4
volunteers: 15
donations_and_bequests: 389800
government_grants: 0
commercial_income: 0
expense_to_revenue_ratio: "70.4%"
average_expense_per_employee: 39400

Leadership
- name: Melinda Tankard Reist
  role: Founder, Movement Director
  public_socials:
    - Twitter: @MelTankardReist
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Caitlin Roper
  role: Campaigns Manager
  public_socials:
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Renee Chopping
  role: Campaigns Strategy
  public_socials:
    - LinkedIn
  public_email_address: r******@collectiveshout.org
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Lyn Swanson Kennedy
  role: Campaigns Strategy
  public_socials:
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed

- name: Coralie Alison
  role: Movement Operations Manager
  public_socials:
    - Twitter: @CoralieAlison
    - Instagram: @collective.shout
  public_email_address: Not publicly listed
  salary: Not publicly listed

Fuck.

These.

Fucking.

Shitsucking

Subhuman

Leeches

[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 146 points 6 days ago

It's the same religious organization that went after them NSFW games on Steam. Like the games or not, it's always a slippery slope with this kind of censorship.

[-] tonytins@pawb.social 94 points 6 days ago

Of course it would be the bible thumpers. Gotta stick their nose into everyone's business.

[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 65 points 6 days ago

If it's against your religion to play porn games, fine. Don't play them.

But fuck off if you think you can tell other people what not to play.

[-] MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social 14 points 6 days ago

But that involves self regulation. And being able to resist temptation. And they'd just rather have temptation removed before they could encounter.

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[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 37 points 6 days ago

The fact that they've been successful at censoring stuff is a problem. It will likely embolden them to do worse.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 26 points 6 days ago

Not just successful. But praised.

Even on Lemmy, if you go check out the initial threads on the Steam censorship you'll see lots of "It is just incest and furry shit. Of course that should be banned" style comments. Less so here, but plenty of other boards and influencers immediately then chimed in that porn addiction is the real problem and you should watch a stream of a nice bigoted white man rather than give in to it and blah blah blah.

And it didn't even start there. It ALSO isn't the start, but the attack on Pornhub a few years back was a big watershed moment where this exact same attack was used (pressure the credit card companies to not do business with a morally dubious site). On the surface? Pornhub is full of revenge porn and child porn so it needs to be destroyed. No rational person would disagree with that... and everyone quietly ignored all the data showing that (and this was early 2020s...) facebook and twitter and instagram and so forth had MUCH more of both of those. But hey, Pornhub Corp complied and actually instituted some REALLY good policies that more or less equates to signed consent forms for every single performer. And... they were still on the shitlist. But everyone had stopped caring.

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[-] ManOMorphos@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago

I think it's time for a game platform divorced from Visa/Mastercard to rise to the occasion and step in for these platforms. Websites without these processors already exist, so the model is proven to work well enough (it's less convenient for sure).

I wouldn't think the US would be a good country for this hypothetical store though. I think it's only a matter of time until they attack the publishers and studios directly. I'm not counting on the 1st amendment to help anyone.

[-] simple@piefed.social 66 points 6 days ago

Direct link to their statement rather than reading an article talking about it: https://itch.io/updates/update-on-nsfw-content

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 89 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

rather than reading an article talking about it

Good as a supplement, but the RPS article gives context itch.io is too much of a cowardly little bitch to include like: "Collective Shout describe themselves as a "grassroots campaigns movement against the objectification of women and the sexualisation of girls", but are associated with outspokenly homophobic and anti-abortion Christian conservative groups, according to a now-deleted Vice article."

Edit: and yes, the Vice article was removed because Vice's ownership bitched out over covering Collective Shout.

[-] bassomitron@lemmy.world 44 points 6 days ago

Edit: and yes, the Vice article was removed because Vice's ownership bitched out over covering Collective Shout.

Wow, holy shit. How fucking far Vice has fallen. There was a time they would go the extra mile to cover wild shit that no one else was doing. Greed and the wealthy's critical need to have control over the media ruins everything.

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[-] RedStrider@lemmy.world 35 points 6 days ago

Damn guess we'll need to move to the alternative- ah wait- no- itch was the alternative.


I wonder if a federated game platform would work as an idea or if that's just an inherently bad idea due to the nature of trusting strangers with your money.

[-] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 days ago

Without payments processors, they can't sell games.

Having a federated platform wouldn't mean much if the payments processors blanket ban the platform.

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[-] rickrolled767@ttrpg.network 26 points 6 days ago

Still wouldn't address the root problem here: payment processing companies have the power to just deny payment from even happening.

Unless you're referring to making a federated platform that instead allows devs to connect with buyers and make transactions off channel.

Would limit widespread issues like this but now you're opening a whole new can of worms with trust

[-] carotte 5 points 5 days ago

the problem is the payment processors, not itch

unless you’re fine with crypto, sending cheques by mail or having everything be free, your new platform is gonna get the same problems once it’s big enough to be noticed

[-] dinckelman@lemmy.world 51 points 6 days ago

I would understand forcibly banning/removing something, if it poses a real existential threat to the majority of people.

But religion fueled bigotry, in a place where you can CHOOSE to buy and play something, or completely ignore and hide if you’d like? Come on. Adults can decide if they want to have access to this content on their own, without a completely unrelated third party constantly trying to fucking inject themselves in between

[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 days ago

But think of the children!

[-] rustyfish@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

Those are Christians. They are widely known for that.

[-] mesamunefire@piefed.social 50 points 6 days ago

Wonder how long it will take for them to start going after LGBT+ stuff. Hope I'm wrong.

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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 47 points 6 days ago

It's not difficult to imagine what kind of expression these groups might decide to deem as unacceptable next.

Literally the bottom line. They have found something that works, and they are going to use and abuse it.

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[-] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 16 points 5 days ago

Well that is at least something Bitcoin could have fixed

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

And probably would have if it wasn't being manipulated by speculators.

[-] petrol_sniff_king 7 points 5 days ago

This is like shitting your pants to ward off bears.

[-] RhondaSandTits@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 5 days ago

If shitting your pants is cool, then I'm Miles Davis.

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[-] madjo@feddit.nl 40 points 6 days ago

Puritans are going to destroy the world.

[-] toomanypancakes@piefed.world 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

They're trying their best to

[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 12 points 5 days ago

Collective Shout describe themselves as a "grassroots campaigns movement against the objectification of women and the sexualisation of girls", but are associated with outspokenly homophobic and anti-abortion Christian conservative groups, according to a now-deleted Vice article. They recently claimed credit for the campaign that saw payment providers pressuring the online storefronts to remove content the group deemed unacceptable.

It's not hard to empathise with the folks behind Itch for being placed in an impossible position, but their lack of forewarning has left creators blindsided and in some cases, seemingly without income. "I wish we had gotten some warning from Steam and Itch," wrote game developer Robert Yang on Bluesky, "but we already know it's Collective Shout + payment processors waging culture war against LGBTQ people and sexual expression. I guess there's nothing else for Steam and Itch to say".

Personally speaking, I'd be willing to extend that good faith to Itch.io themselves, but they aren't the one holding the gun to their own heads here. That'd be financial companies, pressured by Collective Shout, who themselves have ties to an organisation whose CEO once described gay marriage as an "unspeakable offence to God". It's not difficult to imagine what kind of expression these groups might decide to deem as unacceptable next.

[-] SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

You know by now you might have to use crypto for yer sinful games.

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