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[-] Beebabe@lemmy.world 144 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

So I’ve noticed this post isn’t going over very well. I’d like to add a female perspective.

“Mansplain” isn’t meant to say you info dump or over explain a thing. It means that you assume you know more simply based on sex. It’s a type of misogyny that’s more typically overt in boomer culture, but it’s got a following in the whole Tate movement. I have rarely noticed it outside of that generation in the wild.

Now…Guys do infodump, which leads to this confusion, because a lot of people dislike that behavior too. Statistically women do speak less in mixed groups. Put it all together and it’s easy for people to over generalize a very specific behavior. It does happen, but compared to previous generations it’s not as common. It definitely occurs to women who work in non-traditional fields and take on non-traditional roles and I suspect that the same is true for men.

[-] DrSoap@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago

Imagine going to school for years and years. You have your doctorate. You're in the field for 10 years. You work in field that is 93% male. You find a new job, good pay and reputable. The boss on the daily explains things to you. Some things that are just basic science and not even directly applicable to your work. No other new hires get these interesting and informative chats but what a coincidence, all the other new hires are men. I never called it "mansplaining," it's just sexism. One cute word doesn't capture the malice that is often behind it and makes men who view themselves as harmless defensive. Of course there is pointing out systemic sexism that is ingrained in natural behavior but its important to note the difference in a simple conversation and singling out a woman to explain something while assuming she doesn't have anything in that pretty little head of hers. Personally hence, I've noticed it used most often when the woman you're targeting is smarter than you and this is a subtle power play to remind her of her place.

[-] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 15 points 4 days ago

Mansplainer perspective here. No, it doesn't come (for me) from a belief that a woman can't do anything, it rather comes from an instruction from a childhood that boys should always help and defend girls. If I were in place of that boss, my unconscious intent would be to lower the woman's burden.

I catch myself doing it and stop it but it's the hardest pattern I have ever corrected insofar.

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[-] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 4 days ago

Infodumping male here, I generally do it because in my mind context is important to make sense, and of course I do it regardless of gender. It honestly feels like a detriment, as I feel myself taking too long, but don't really know how to shorten it. I do it when explaining issues at work or when talking about stuff I like etc, but have audio has times where I tried to be brief then got the wrong info across or forgot to mention something important or just right make sense. It's like I can't find the right balance between explaining and dumping.

I didn't find this post as an insult or anything though.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 14 points 4 days ago

I have the same problem. I work in IT and when I was on the help desk I was one of the "go to" people if someone needed help with a call. There were a couple times I heard new hires complain that I was "mansplaining" to them because I never knew where someone was coming from in terms of technical ability so when I answered their question I began at the beginning to make sure they understood. I did the same thing regardless of gender but I can see how someone felt like I was being condescending if they weren't familiar with me. It did always seem like it was people who didn't want to be there that would complain about it too. On the other hand several people that went on to get promoted off the help desk sent me thank you notes for teaching them so much so it kind of balanced out.

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[-] Landless2029@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago

I had a woman at a car service counter take in my car once. She was dressed nicely and clean so of course I assumed she only did paperwork.

I treated her like a human. Explained my car symptoms and where I think the problem is. (Car electric went nuts and lost power steering when i hit a puddle.)

Holy crap she knew her stuff. I mentioned it felt like the alternator wasnt performing right and undervolting, but since it's only when driving threw a puddle it had to be a component siezing and pulling on the accessory belt. She agreed that's a good place to start and ran through all the bits in that system as well as thier diagnostic steps planned.

I figured she knew about cars but it felt like she was a full on mechanic and was the manager dressed up.

[-] Echolynx@lemmy.zip 21 points 4 days ago

Treating people with basic humanity should be the bare minimum, but sadly it's a foregone conclusion.

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[-] Nougat@fedia.io 239 points 5 days ago

My wife has accused me of mansplaining when I really was just sharing the information I had in my head about "the thing" because I was proud of myself about that.

There's also the "You may already know all this, but it's worth saying out loud anyway."

I'm not saying mansplaining isn't a thing - it certainly is - but there are other innocent "info dump" kinds of things that can look like mansplaining but weren't intended to be. I try to be very clear about why I am info dumping when I do, but I'm not always able to catch myself in time.

#TouchOfTheTism

[-] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 76 points 5 days ago

Exactly, when I tell my therapist about the funny things I learned about psychology, it's just me saying stuff that I know now, how I think it's cool, and asking for further information. I'm well aware that he already knows far more on the topic. If you're explaining it with a tone of "you fucking idiot woman, I'm educating you", then that's mansplaining. Another important possibility, is just phrasing a question as a statement for clarification. Think of how a waiter will repeat your order back to you at a restaraunt. I do the same thing when I learn about a new concept. I repeat back what I think I understood about something to make sure I got it right. Tone is very important. If I don't sound like I'm trying to be a dick to you, then I'm probably not.

[-] Banana@sh.itjust.works 36 points 5 days ago

Yeah the intention is far easier to sus out when it's in person, especially with a known person. I'm a woman and I have ADHD and I do this to my husband all the time.

[-] grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

My partner has taught/trained me to ask "would you like to hear more?" before I info-dump on him.

Example: Me: "at work today I've been playing around with configuration settings for Primo VE, specifically the search scopes... Um... would you like to hear more?"

Response: "I'm glad you have an interesting problem at work and no, no thank you."

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 49 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

As a man with adhd, I do this all the time to men and to women, and I've been accused of mansplaining. I'm working on it, but I promise it has nothing to do with sexism. I just think everybody needs to know all the details so rhey can reach the same conclusions as me.

And for what it's worth, I really appreciate when someone does the same for me on a topic I don't know about. But I understand how frustrating it is when someone does it on a subject I do know about, so I always try to gauge knowledge before info dumping. What catches me off guard is when someone isn't interested in learning. They don't know everything, and they are just OK with walking through life, knowing they don't know something.

Point is, I really do appreciate the grace presented in the post. I don't mind if you're being condescending if you forgive me for oversharing.

[-] NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 4 days ago

This isn't a you problem. You haven't been mansplaining. This is gender war shenanigans and people being sexist towards men in the name of feminism. Gender in western society is honestly cooked at this point.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Eh, it's a me problem of oversharing, and I can appreciate that my perspective isn't a universal perspective. How I'm perceived is as much my concern as my intention. I can't control what other people feel, but I can appreciate their perspective and respect their feelings without taking it personally.

If someone feels like I'm mansplaining, I want to know about it and try not to do that again. That's not an indictment of gender relations in modern society, that's just courtesy.

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[-] enbipanic 35 points 4 days ago

Neurodivergents be like: "Wait people don't want to know this? That's absurd. So anyway, what I was saying was..."

How many "Men" are just ND?

[-] Soulg@ani.social 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

That's always been my issue with this whole mansplaining shit. Like yeah, it is a real thing that exists, but it very quickly just morphed into "a man (whom I didn't want to talk to me) told me something" most of the time.

[-] jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 days ago

i’ll literally be talking about my own field in which i’d be considered an expert opinion with people who have no idea what they’re talking about and still get accused of mansplaining. i’ve never liked the framing of mansplaining either. it’s such a gigantic victim complex. you’re not obligated to sit and listen to anybody, let alone someone you aren’t enjoying talking to. if you sit and listen to someone’s entire explanation and don’t interject and explain you rather wouldn’t have - that’s not the other person in the conversation’s fault, be they a man, woman, or otherwise. like, you’re a grown ass fucking adult, why do we tolerate behavior that’s honestly kind of childish? the number of times i’ve seen genuine “mansplaining” i can count on one hand versus the numerous times ive seen men trying to earnestly participate in discourse shuttered out in the name of “justice.”

this is how i kind of feel, it’s always just been a way to shut men down bc they said something you didn’t like or agree with. it’s rhetorically lazy, like you can’t even respond to what’s being said so you default to some weird ad hominem over their penis. not saying mansplaining doesn’t happen, it does, but it’s certainly not nearly as prevalent as people act. and frankly, even when it does, who the fuck cares? you’re not a hostage, and if you were, their monologue is the fucking least of your worries?!?

[-] 0x0@lemmy.zip 21 points 4 days ago

How many “Men” are just ND?

None. Men are cool to hate, get with the program.

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[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

Okay but what if I’m excited to talk about dinosaurs? Is it mansplaining because I didn’t know the lady im talking to is a paleontologist ?

And people wonder why many men are afraid to talk to women.

[-] Mesophar@pawb.social 18 points 4 days ago

Nah, some people might get offended right from the get go if you start talking about the basics with them, but it's only a problem if you continue to insist that you know better than them once it becomes clear they have an understanding of the topic. Like, if you're excited to talk about dinosaurs and the person you're talking to is a paleontologist, but you pivot to talking about deeper aspects of the topic once you realize, you're all good! Even better if you start asking them questions to learn from their expertise.

On the other hand, if you realize that they are a paleontologist and completely disregard that, insisting to them that you actually know more than them, or continue trying to explain base concepts, then yeah, you're a jerk.

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[-] chunes@lemmy.world 56 points 4 days ago

It would be cool if we could keep sexism off lemmy. This isn't reddit.

[-] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 33 points 4 days ago

Gender wars stuff is the worst. I would be in favour of it being banned.

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[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 102 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Unfortunately I am autistic and explaining something I think is cool. Only it gets interpreted as condescension :(

Its not always but its often enough

[-] lemjukes@sopuli.xyz 56 points 5 days ago

Bingo, every fucking time. I'm literally just sharing whats in my head. You know, trying to communicate like a fucking person? Sorry you took that as me thinking you were stupid. Because now i definitely think you're stupid.

[-] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 5 days ago

As someone with friends and family on the spectrum, my best tip:

Take a moment to breathe when you've completed a thought related to what you're explaining, and look at the other person to see if they have information to share, questions, or just to express what they know.

This helped a few folks pace themselves, and the break for others they believe helped in not appearing condescending.

Hope this helps!

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[-] liuther9@feddit.nl 10 points 3 days ago

So many likes under this toxic shit post, though comments section is full of people with valid conclusions

[-] Octavio@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Luckily I never do mansplaining because I don’t understand how anything works.

Women often complain that when they go to home depot the workers always ask what project they are doing and walk them through how to do it instead of just pointing them to the product they are looking for.

Honestly I’d love nothing more than for a Home Depot worker to ask me about my project and walk me through how to do it. It would save me the inevitable return trip(s) to pick up that one part or tool I didn’t think about.

But I understand that it could be seen as condescending if you do know what you’re doing and just need help finding the thing you already know you need.

[-] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Women: "Don't be condescending"

Lemmites: "What the fuck"

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[-] jeff@programming.dev 72 points 5 days ago

I like how OOP gets the name wrong also. Shane not Shawn. It really makes it feel extra condescending.

[-] egrets@lemmy.world 69 points 5 days ago
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[-] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 53 points 5 days ago

I'm not mansplaining I'm tism info dumping. If you want to patronize me go for it. I'll keep going

[-] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago

I would, of course, mistake the condescension for genuine and sincere interest. I have found a nerd buddy. Once I'm done dumping, you can dump on me. This is so cool.

Oh wait... You're being mean. How heart breaking. I'll go climb into my little dark hole.

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[-] ConstantPain@lemmy.world 54 points 5 days ago

I explain basic things to anyone if they sound or act like they don't know.

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[-] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 59 points 5 days ago

Unironically, thats how I feel explaining things when I get excited, and I kinda like being a kid excited about sharing something. Because either I get to share something I find really cool and you hopefully do too, or you already knew about it and maybe know more than me and I can learn something more about the thing I'm excited about. But mansplaining does imply a level of condescension that I really fucking hope I don't come across as.

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I also love explaining things and get excited when it's an area i know about, and then got accused of mansplaining. seeing that many men in these comments suffered the same fate, maybe some women could become more chill lol

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[-] paultimate14@lemmy.world 43 points 5 days ago

"Mansplaining" is sexist. It's the equivalent of saying women are airheads, or gossips, or talk too much.

Is each man expected to just... Assume that everyone else shares their exact knowledge? Would such an assumption not therefore eliminate most communication entirely?

Or what if we decided to divide up groups by something other than gender. Would it be okay to say "asiansplaining" or "jewsplaining" or "gaysplaoning"?

Can a trans-man mansplaining? Can a trans-woman mansplain? Is there a separate category of "transplaining"?

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[-] underscores@lemmy.zip 31 points 4 days ago

I too hate [opposite gender of reader]

I hate them very much and would not like them on my bed or in my home or in my arms

I hate [opposite gender] and their tendency to be constantly on my mind

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[-] plyth@feddit.org 9 points 4 days ago

Is she explaining a basic thing herself?

[-] KingOogaBooga@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

This is the type of attitude that makes me not talk to humans. Sure I might know something about it but if I tell you then I am an asshole apparently. So....figure it out yourself.

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

In my experience, nobody has any problem with you sharing your knowledge with them if (1) you're an actual expert (and not just an "armchair expert", (2) they actually want or need someone to tell them the information they're looking for, and (3) you express it courteously and kindly.

In pretty much any case, you're not likely to ever get good results if #2 isn't true. Maybe they want to figure it out themselves. Maybe they don't actually care. Maybe they're making a joke that people who really are experts would get!

Even if you don't have #1, you can get a long way with #3 (especially if you frame it as you're a fellow learner sharing what you've gleaned so far, such as by giving them info and asking for something in return—"oh, I found out that you can do X and it works really well, but I could never figure out Y, how'd you do that?!").

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