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[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 47 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

While it is rude to honk immediately when the light turns green, it is also true that taking too long to accelerate when the light changes severely reduces traffic flow and causes congestion. And this is commonly caused by distracted drivers. You are supposed to release your brake and begin moving at roughly the same time as the car in front of you, i.e. when the car in front of you turns off their brake lights or when the traffic signal turns green if you're in the front.

Edit: "Too long" realistically means anything more than half a second. If everyone's reaction time was one second it would reduce the number of cars per green light probably by half. That doesn't mean it's polite to honk after half a second but if your reaction time is that bad you should not be driving.

[-] Tarkcanis@lemmy.world 28 points 4 weeks ago

When I can clearly see you on your phone, yes.

[-] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 weeks ago

Head down looking at their lap instead of driving. Straight to jail.

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[-] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 weeks ago

they race up behind you, tailgate you, swerve to pass you in the next lane, then take several seconds to get going at the light, all while I'm still coasting in gently because I timed the light change

goddamn right I'm up their ass honking at them. get a fucking move on dipshit

[-] lime@feddit.nu 22 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

i will never understand why us traffic lights go immediately from red to green. you have a whole-ass third light to use for signaling that the light is about to change, so people don't have to floor it due to an unexpected change.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 30 points 4 weeks ago

Drivers in the US would start treating that middle light as go and we'd be right back to square one

[-] psud@aussie.zone 9 points 4 weeks ago

You don't need to do a lot of enforcement to change that behaviour. And you can do the enforcement with red light cameras

[-] sartalon@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago

Fuck red light cameras and fuck you for suggesting them.

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

In many localities voters have used initiative powers to ban red light cameras and in some jurisdictions red-light camera fines are deemed constitutional violations because the US Constitution requires those accused of crimes to be able to "confront their accuser" in court which is not possible if the accuser is a machine.

[-] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Red light and/or speed cameras are banned in many parts of the US, because courts have repeatedly ruled that they’re unconstitutional. The constitution’s sixth amendment guarantees the right to argue against your accuser in court. This was originally intended to prevent secret surprise court rulings, which the British used against Americans leading up to and during the revolution; The crown would accuse people of crimes and try them without any notice. When they obviously failed to show up to court, they were found guilty in absentia and arrested.

Regional courts have repeatedly banned the cameras, by ruling that because people can’t argue against an inanimate object, the object can’t accuse people of crimes. Basically, the constitution says you have the right to get your day in court, and some courts have interpreted that to mean the automated cameras violate that right.

[-] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 4 points 4 weeks ago

That's weird. Isn't the accuser in that case the police or whoever is in charge of those cameras? The camera just provides evidence, doesn't it?

[-] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Isn't the accuser in that case the police or whoever is in charge of those cameras?

If it were a cop pulling you over and writing a ticket, sure. It would be that cop. They can show up in court and stand as a witness for you to cross-examine. But if the entire system is automated, which specific cop is the accuser?

[-] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 4 points 4 weeks ago

Is the system completely automated in the US? We still have people from that department going through each picture, checking if there is indeed a violation. That person will then type out your license plate and a letter is sent to you.

If you pay, it's done. If you don't pay you will have to show up to court and make your case, while they will show up with that picture and date/time as proof.

The accuser in that case is the person that read the license plate from the picture.

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[-] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 4 weeks ago

seems like a pretty good reason for revoking a licence to me

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

That's because practically nobody here drives a car with a manual transmission, and the reason for those in Europe is (or originally was) to give drivers notice when they need to get back into gear.

A knock-on consequence of this is that nobody in the US knows how to drive, they just point the wheel vaguely in some direction and mash the skinny pedal. If they don't get the result they wanted, they stomp on the pedal harder. You ought to watch chucklefucks try to drive in the snow, especially those with SUVs and muscle cars with rear wheel drive. People treat the throttle as if it's the "make the car go in the direction I'm looking button" and the rest of us know that's not how it works.

[-] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 4 weeks ago

surely traffic lights pre-date automatics?

[-] prole 2 points 4 weeks ago

It's not hard if you can see the other lights in the intersection.

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[-] pedz@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 weeks ago

Yes, green means go!11! Even there's an old lady that just didn't finish crossing yet, she just had to do it in the few seconds allowed.

My favorite one is people honking at other drivers for not blocking an intersection because "it's green!". I don't know the term in English but in French it's a mix of intersection and blocage. Like, if the light is green but there is no space to advance because of gridlock, some apparently like to make it worse by advancing their car in an intersection and sit there while it turns red, and thus blocking the intersection. BuT It WaS GreEn!

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 15 points 4 weeks ago

Do you see this little pedal under your right foot? Just fucking use it and nobody will be honking.

[-] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 14 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

What bothers me are the people who do go when the light turns green, but take their damn sweet time to do it...

Eeeease oofffff the braaaake…. Mooove fooot toooo gaaaaassssss… Creeeeep into intersection at 0.05mph….

…just as long as they get through before the light turns red again, fuck everyone behind them, I guess.

Fuck those people.

[-] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

Can't help but think if the light really just turned green, or if OP just noticed it was green and assumed it just changed but had been green for a while.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 13 points 4 weeks ago

In Spain you would have to wait for 5-10 seconds without moving for anyone to honk. At least where I live. People just don't usually get angry about it. I don't expect anyone to stare at the red light like it's a race track. Maybe someone is adjusting the radio, maybe they are putting on sunglasses. I mean, I don't care, I can arrive 5 seconds later. 99% of drivers here think the same.

I once worked with a British guy here. He drove me somewhere couple of times and he would always complain at how long Spanish drivers take to start when light changes. He crashed and totaled his car soon after. Slipped on a slightly wet asphalt and went out of the road. For me it's typical that the worse drivers are the impatient ones. Just relax, it's not a race.

[-] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago

I live in an area where I think the worst drivers in the US live. I absolutely hate people who honk as soon as the light turns green. You don't know what I can see, you don't know if it is safe to go. Because sometimes it isn't. I've had to learn to still look both ways after the light turns green because almost once a week (and I only drive 2-4 days most weeks) I see someone completely blow the red going 60 in a 45.

I also blame phones for traffic, because it goes the other way too. Why did you miss that green, because 3 people in front of you were on their phones. I usually give a slow 5 count before giving a beep.

[-] Drekaridill@feddit.is 11 points 4 weeks ago

Put on the handbrake, get out of the car, and calmly ask them what the problem is.

[-] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 weeks ago

You forgot the 'grab a crowbar' part.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

The last time I had to do this I pulled a rapier, actually. Although in my defense, the guy behind me jumped out with a tire iron first. It was purest happenstance that I had the thing in my back seat at the time but damned if the look on his face wasn't worth it.

I've recounted this tale before. I have to wonder how that guy tells people his side of that story...

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 weeks ago

Or just drive off. If you rise to every barb, you’re almost definitely going to end up with a severely painful, chronic erection. Getting shot or run over is also on the table.

[-] prole 2 points 4 weeks ago

Depending on where you are in the US, this could literally get you shot.

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[-] crozilla@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago

You’re in pole position, you have a responsibility to those behind you. Be considerate and pay attention.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 6 points 4 weeks ago

I saw someone do that in Korea. The guy in front immediately stops the car and sits there for like 2 minutes as the guy behind honks and eventually does like a 7 point turn to go around.

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[-] SnortsGarlicPowder@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 weeks ago

Huh American lights don't go amber first, just straight to green.

Also those shorts made my blood pressure rise.

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[-] Zagam@piefed.social 5 points 4 weeks ago

Lot of people in this thread thinking the split second the light turns green we need to gun it. Get fucked, I'm not on my phone and you're just an impatient asshole. No one owes you a jack rabbit start. Calm the fuck down and breath.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago

You don't need to "jack rabbit" out, but you shouldn't be moving like a sloth either, every second of delay delays all other cars behind you and reduces overall traffic flow

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago

It is the drivers responsibility to ensure the intersection is clear of cars and pedestrians before proceeding. The green light doesn't immediately mean go, they may be waiting for a pedestrian to finish crossing or a car to clear after running a red.

[-] prole 2 points 4 weeks ago

they may be waiting for a pedestrian to finish crossing or a car to clear after running a red.

This is the most infuriating, when someone is honking but you literally cannot go without murdering a person.

[-] SpinItBetter@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

I assume the person in front is waiting for the red light runners to clear the intersection before starting.

[-] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

Physicists have discovered that the shortest division of time possible is the time between the light turning green and the car behind you honking.

[-] GraniteM@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

A "New York minute" is defined as the time between when the light turns green and when a New York driver will honk their horn at you.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

I knew it as "New York Second", and that it is the shortest time interval measurable by science.

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 3 points 4 weeks ago

A lot of places in east asia have red light timers. If theres nobody coming, people will start when theres like 3 seconds left.

[-] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 weeks ago

That feels like an argument for why red light timers for cars might be a bad idea.

Like, you can understand the intent - by giving extra information, drivers know how long they have to wait and so won't get as annoyed - but that same extra information encourages drivers to take risks, and start moving even earlier than they would with just a simple red/amber/green

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago

I think it would be disastrous in America or Korea, but it seems to work here and it would probably work in Japan.

[-] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 weeks ago

Today one idiot honked me because I actually stopped at a red semaphore.

[-] pewgar_seemsimandroid 3 points 4 weeks ago

train driver?

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[-] IdontplaytheTrombone@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

That's me. My friend was in front of me.

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