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[-] inlandempire@jlai.lu 111 points 3 months ago

Always have been a police state, anti terrorism laws are ALWAYS used to silence 'dissident' voices

From 5 July 2025, it is an offence under the UK's Terrorism Act 2000 to be a member of Palestine Action,[7] fundraise for it,[8][9] wear or display items arousing reasonable suspicion of membership,[10] or if someone invites support or even "expresses an opinion or belief supportive of" Palestine Action "reckless as to whether a person to whom the expression is directed will be encouraged to support" it.[11] These offences carry a maximum penalty of up to 14 years in prison for membership or inviting support, and up to 6 months in prison or a fine for displaying supporting items.[7][10][11][9]

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 37 points 3 months ago

Is Palestine Action a specific movement/group or is palestine Action literally just supporting Palestine? Asking from a non UK perspective.

[-] scholar@lemmy.world 50 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's a specific group that recently broke into an RAF base and started mucking about with the aircraft, hence why the government aren't their biggest fans.

Shortly after they did this they were designated as a terrorist group by the home office which is why public support is an offence.

[-] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago

Their latest action was against the planes, but they have actually been extraordinarily successful at damaging the economic machine behind the genocide through targeted and sustained sabotage campaigns against Elbit Systems weapons manufacturer and their supporters, like Barclays Bank. They have already forced the closure of two weapons factories and forced Barclays to divest. It is most likely this sustained campaign that is the real reason for the terrorist designation, though the action at Brize Norton was probably the straw that broke the camel’s back.

[-] scholar@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

It certainly made proscribing them an easy sell; you won't find many people who think it's unreasonable of the government to take a dim view of sabotage.

Hopefully it won't distract too much from the bigger story of almost everyone apart from the government taking a dim view of genocide.

[-] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

Sabotaging the tools of genocide should be supported by everyone who isn’t a monster.

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 months ago

100 years from now, who would possibly doubt that PAC are the heroes here and labor are the villains? Genociders are never on the right side of history. These people are heroes.

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[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago

Are the protestors with signs saying they support palestinian action intending to state that they support the group or that they support action generally?

Either way they've manufactured this issue to protest anti-terrorism laws right?

Not sure if would die on this hill.

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[-] gnutrino@programming.dev 7 points 3 months ago

It's a specific group that was proscribed after breaking into RAF Brize Norton and vandalizing tankers.

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago

AKA, they're a group of heroes and the villainous government wants to keep doing evil.

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[-] inlandempire@jlai.lu 6 points 3 months ago

It uses Direct Action which are methods that governments tend to associate with terrorism

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[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 84 points 3 months ago

Let's hope the UK citizens prove less cowardly than the US ones.

[-] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 99 points 3 months ago

You have a lot of trust in people who voted to isolate themselves from their biggest allies and trading partners just a couple years ago.

[-] FundMECFSResearch 23 points 3 months ago

I don’t see how relevant that is here. Arguably the EU is supporting Israel’s genocide.

[-] imrighthere@lemmy.ca 39 points 3 months ago

It's relevant, they're easily led by the nose, and now they're kissing the diaper. From what I can see, they're no better than the americans.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 points 3 months ago

They're already monarchists

[-] match@pawb.social 21 points 3 months ago

took me a minute before i realized the US only did that months ago instead of years

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The British haven't been too good at protesting in the near past

[-] john_lemmy@slrpnk.net 13 points 3 months ago

Arguably not in the recent past, but let us not forget that the suffragettes were very committed protesters. They did more than just organize symbolic protests though. They also carried out bombings and arson campaigns and one of them ended up cutting Winston Churchill's face with a dogwhip.

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[-] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 months ago

London really showed up for the Palestine protests a couple weeks ago

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[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 months ago

X to doubt. The UK threw out due process a long time ago, wave the ‘terrorism’ tag and egregiously Orwellian policies become law:

  • Legalized warrantless arrest and imprisonment of suspects without trial or warrant for 28 days
  • Permits freezing of a suspects assets without trial
  • Allows unlimited imprisonment of foreigners suspected of terrorism without trial
  • Military police permitted to operate on UK soil openly, even for non terrorism reasons
  • TPIM orders without trial that permits electronic tagging, travel bans, limited house arrest, curfews and constant monitoring.

And all that’s before we even talk about the recent Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act nonsense.

[-] Denjin@lemmings.world 6 points 3 months ago

Drawing attention to the abuse of these powers is now terrorism. Please hand yourself in to your nearest police station for reeducation.

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago

The PAC are heroes. We should be building statues of them. No one a hundred years from now will think Labor is on the right side of history here. We should be nominating these people for sainthood, not criminalizing them.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

At least they have Corbyn daring to do what Sanders does not.

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[-] kaitco@lemmy.world 59 points 3 months ago

As American, I’m always so glad to see our cousins across the water follow our inane footsteps. Cheers Brits!

[-] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 24 points 3 months ago

Cross Atlantic solidarity against fascism 🤝

[-] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 months ago

Brexit? They were first.

[-] ewo@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 months ago

Atleast we're in solidarity about being fucked off

[-] Lyra_Lycan 55 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Fuck you, government. I do not respect your existence, and day by day, am losing respect for the laws you demand we follow. Fuck your rules.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 48 points 3 months ago

Palestine action? Never heard of them. We support Action for Palestinian.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The People's Front of Judea?

No, The Judean People's Front.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4

[-] ewo@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)
  • The people's front of Palestine AKA the Palestinians people's front AKA... The name changes will cease when the facists stop being facist
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[-] mkhopper@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago
[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 months ago

Palestine Action are heroes. We should be singing songs about them, not prosecuting them.

Remember, legality and morality are only vaguely related. Beyond the natural crimes of murder, rape, etc. laws are just politics by another name. And the wealthy and powerful write laws to advance their own corrupt interests. Many moral obligations are criminalized, and many things that if there is a Hell will surely get you sent there are perfectly legal.

Those planes deserved to be vandalized. Hell, they deserved to be set on fire. It's a shame they weren't destroyed completely. If those planes are being used to carry out a genocide, then they should be destroyed. That is the simple absolute moral truth. If the law says otherwise, then the law is wrong. Anyone violating it still needs to keep the consequences in mind. But outside observers should not be afraid to speak truth to power. What Palestine Action did was not wrong; it was an act of heroism. The UK should be electing these people to parliament, not prosecuting them. Want courageous leaders who will actually stand up to powerful interests and do the right thing, even when it's hard? Well it seems you just found that exact rare kind of person right here.

Destroying planes that are bound to assist in bombing in Gaza is simply the morally right thing to do, regardless of the law. It's no different than a Jewish resistance fighter in the 1940s setting fire to a cattle train about to go collect prisoners for transport to Dachau. Sometimes destruction of government property is the only morally correct choice available to people.

And we shouldn't be afraid to say this. People in the UK should be contacting their politicians demanding a full pardon for these heroes.

[-] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago

Those planes deserved to be vandalized. Hell, they deserved to be set on fire. It’s a shame they weren’t destroyed completely. If those planes are being used to carry out a genocide, then they should be destroyed.

The planes were totally unrelated to what's going on in Gaza.

Destroying planes that are bound to assist in bombing in Gaza

What's the indication these planes would do that? Israel doesn't even need British tanker planes to fly the tiny distance to Gaza.

[-] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 3 months ago

Even if they were trying to use this sort of rule with wholesome intentions, I'm not sure how targeting groups by name instead of deed makes sense. It's like doing a healthy diet by giving up Coca-Cola by name even though Pepsi and RC have the same nutritional profile and availability. Enjoy the Whack-a-mole game!

Taken to its logical conclusion, someone should start a pro-Palestinian squad and call it the Reform Party.

[-] WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 18 points 3 months ago

Some Aussie comedian on KGB News has just said that the disabled should be shot or starved into work …but a few people holding signs is the problem. How baffling.

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[-] Genius@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 months ago

Only antisemites think genocide is bad. /s

[-] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Can you support "the political prisoners of Palestine Action"?

Can you say "Palestine Action is not a terrorist organization"?

Can you say "Outlawing Palestine Action is terrorism"?

Or is that also illegal?

Fucking fascists... A sad end to the Labour Party, but it was clear what would happen after they stabbed Corbyn in the back.

[-] arc99@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Fascists? Virtually the entire house of commons voted them a terrorist organisation, not just Labour. That was because they attacked UK military aircraft on a UK military base and concocted an excuse for doing it. That got them branded terrorists.

This does not in any way stop people rallying for Palestine or the appalling inhuman injustices they're suffering. I'm sure there are marches happening all the time, not to mention charities to donate to, social media feeds to amplify atrocities. Just don't attack UK bases or support those who do and you'll be fine.

As for Corbyn, he wasn't "stabbed in the back". He lost two general elections in a row and he resigned. If he was still there for the last election he'd be sitting in opposition in charge of an even smaller party surrounded by a clique. He was not some saviour for Labour, he was the bane of it.

[-] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims."

If you call this terrorism, you can call anything terrorism, and anybody can be a terrorist. If you're willing to do that to aid the Israel fascist state, that makes you a fascist. Yes, the entire house of commons are fascists.

And sure, that was very much illegal and they could have used any number of laws applicable to attacking a military base. Just not terrorism. But the UK military is involved in a partnership in the gaza war. They are not "non-combatants"

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[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's so much easier for the frog to not realize it's being boiled in the UK because there's no consolidated constitution to point to

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 14 points 3 months ago

Not sure that matters too much, frogs in the US are boiling fine too. The constitution can be brushed aside just as easily.

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[-] sunbytes@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Even on the middle east eye YouTube I'm seeing so many appeals to authority and "it's illegal, simple as. Full stop. Not for debate".

Not sure if brigading or what but it really worries me how people think.

It's not like they're stupid, it's like it's uncomfortable for them to think.

[-] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

The moron, Yvette Cooper thinks that this is the sort of violent thug that needs to be locked up whilst neo nazi and other hate groups causing direct harm to (checks notes) voters continues unabated.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1536/cpsprodpb/8d95/live/2ee739a0-59ba-11f0-9074-8989d8c97d87.jpg.webp

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