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[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 132 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Didn’t vote for it isn’t good enough. 90M people didn’t vote. We needed 2M more to vote against it. Remember this when the midterms come around next fall.

[-] 0tan0d@lemmy.world 81 points 1 week ago

We also need a political party that also understands this. The entrenched democratic advisers lost 2 times to Trump and I havent seen any mass firing. If anything, the establishment dems are attacking anyone trying to change.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It doesn’t work like that. I’ve been saying this for decades, but maybe this explanation from a political strategist will do a better job.

Simply put, the donors want to win to influence the candidates. They base their data on past voters, not the entire electorate. If you don’t vote, you don’t influence. It’s really always been that simple.

We need to stop rewarding those who have the financial means to reach us in our living rooms, and actively seek out the progressives in every primary. Vote in every election. Stop allowing retirees to pick our candidates and continue to push the Overton Window to the right.

[-] 0tan0d@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

I do this but we can go even further. If you are a US citizen looking to change the DNC please look into your local DNC delegation. Taking over the party at the local level is a part of how the mentally challenged were leveraged by the Koch network to effectively take over the GOP.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 28 points 1 week ago

But that video basically tells you straight-out… the usual campaign strategies are clearly wrong. You put out a campaign that gets people excited and suddenly way more people get out to vote. It's not a complicated theory. It clearly works in practice.

All of this conversation though, just shows how fucking poor democracy based around voter turnout is. Put elections on a weekend or make it a public holiday, and make voting mandatory (with the option of a blank ballot for those who really object to voting). It doesn't solve all your problems. But it sure does help a lot.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Bruh. If you voted, they’d cater their advertising to you. The candidates are still there, you’re not voting for them, and blaming the lack of advertising. That’s like blaming lettuce for not advertising salads and complaining about always eating McDonald’s.

Do you want to take control of your government or not?

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 19 points 1 week ago

I vote. I'm not American, in case my instance name didn't give it away. I'd vote even if I didn't want to, because it's mandatory to do so, one of several vast improvements my country has over yours in the quality of our democratic processes.

But did you watch the video you linked in the last comment? Because it completely turns your argument on its head. You say "if you voted, they'd cater to you". But that video clearly demonstrates that the exact inverse is true. If you want to get out the vote in a large segment of the Zero Primes, all you have to do is run as exciting campaign with bold progressive policies. The evidence is all laid out there in front of you, even in common sense couldn't get you there.

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[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago

There's no way to vote against something that both candidates support (eg. genocide).

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

Your insistence on seeing black and white in a gray world will be your end.

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[-] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

what we need is for people to start exercising their second amendment rights

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[-] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 89 points 1 week ago
[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 week ago

How do you vote against concentration camps when both candidates are genocidal?

[-] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

What would you have me do?

Harris said she would work toward peace talks. Whether this was true or not will never be known. But from what I’ve read, despite what she really wanted, she had to “toe the line” and not stray from Biden’s policies if she wanted to keep her campaign alive.

trump campaigned to not only let Netanyahu “finish the job,” and to write Israel a “blank check,” and to build a resort in Gaza, but also to build concentration camps ON AMERICAN SOIL, and to send Americans and immigrants in the US to foreign concentration camps.

Not voting for either is essentially a vote for trump, in this current political climate.

So voting for Harris is the closest we get to voting against concentration camps.

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[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 week ago

Exactly. The key to remember is that "vote blue no matter who" is a one-way street with one-way loyalty. Centrists demand loyalty from progressives, but they will never offer the same in return.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Show me one who wasn't "pro genocide".

Edit: 26 down votes, and no one has even tried to put forward a "non-genocide" candidate. Really speaks volumes that they don't even try.

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[-] prole 14 points 1 week ago
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[-] FarmTaco@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

lol this nonsense again, let me guess you didnt vote in protest.

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[-] pedantichedgehog@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 week ago

I have a relative who has been on medicaid on and off who "doesn't pay attention to politics". I frequently explain current events to them- like efforts to cut medicaid that may cause them to lose their coverage.

The obliviousness (or complacency, in many cases) of some people is unbelievable.

[-] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It’s fucking depressing though. I voted for Harris, went to college, worked in IT and was a good little worker, got a decent credit score, barely got a starter home…

By all accounts I did everything right. But I’m still fucked. Going to be laid off this year and this IT industry is fucked. We all are. We can’t do anything because the wealthy always win. I’m depressed most days and only find joy in reading sometimes but other hobbies don’t feel the same.

Every time I’ve voted, my candidate of choice loses. I’m powerless. I’m not well.

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[-] PaulBunyan@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago

Remember when Trump wiped women and people of color from DoD and other government documents in his DEI sweep? Fucking sucks man.

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[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 43 points 1 week ago

I’m sure that’s of great comfort to the people in concentration camps. Legit so gross to acknowledge concentration camps currently existing and being run by your own government, and somehow still making it about you.

[-] DerArzt@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

What can the average US citizen do about concentration camps that are outside the US but controlled by the US?

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[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Fun fact: everyone who didn't vote for Hitler made it through the war with a 100% clean conscience, and did not regret any other inactions. /s

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 43 points 1 week ago

Reminder that Hitler lost the election. The liberals endorsed a conservative candidate in the name of unity, who won, and proceeded to staff the government with Nazis and made Hitler chancellor, in the name of unity.

The left, cursed with Casandra Syndrome, campaigned on "A vote for Hindenburg is a vote for Hitler is a vote for war."

Because there is nothing new under the sun, you even had the liberals who announced their endorsement of Hindenburg immediately start attacking the left for not supporting their best shot at defeating Hitler..

In the end, many of them did end up supporting Hindenburg. But liberals will always see the left as a greater threat than fascists.

[-] opavader@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

these manufacturing guilt posts would work if we were not seeing dnc sabotage mamadani to favour predatory stooges just like trump. the “blue no matter what” is only for trash candidates that superpacs want. everytime we get close to a leader that we want like bernie or aoc or mamdani, dnc shows they work for the trumps not against them.

i am not a violent person so pls suggest how we can help get aoc elected in 2029 without doing a luigi on likes of pelosi and schumer ?

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[-] uriel238 22 points 1 week ago

We need to be thinking about how 77 million Americans voted for Trump and thought that was a good idea.

And we need to work out how to prevent it from happening again.

One thing is clear, billionaires and politicians are unwilling to relinquish power or wealth, even when their holdings are obscene or they are incapable of governing.

We will have to threaten either their lives or the structures on which their holdings depend, and can't bluff. And they will likely choose death over surrender.

[-] imachillin@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

You voted though, right? For Harris? That’s the only correct answer.

Non voters + Trump voters + Jill Stein voters brought us into this mess. I haven’t heard anything from Jill Stein, as a leader I hope she’s speaking out too to her base. ~~

[-] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 12 points 1 week ago

No it was the democrats who put a candidate forward so uninspiring and indifferent on many different issues that people didn't vote for her.

People didn't want come that had no stance against the genocide and was different from biden.

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[-] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

And the worst part?

They probably sleep sounder than you.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

concentration camps and millions being stripped of health insurance and food assistance

So like Gaza?

Because I'm pretty sure this was the logic for people who refused to vote that this very community spent an entire year assuring me was a bunch of tankie bots from ml.

[-] ToastedPlanet 13 points 1 week ago

The majority of people who didn't vote for Harris don't care about Gaza. They're just larping on the internet.

She wasn't a zionist and wanted to end the war. It was a clear cut decision, but it was a brown and black sacrifice people were willing to make for their moral purity.

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