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[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

🔥La la la 👉🤑👈 not listening 🔥

[-] Nangijala@feddit.dk 7 points 6 days ago

At some point, all one can do is laugh.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 137 points 1 week ago

This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

Maybe they think the flooding won’t affect them on their moral high ground.

[-] axx@slrpnk.net 21 points 1 week ago

Can we give this rhetoric a rest? The voting system, the enforced lack of alternatives, hell even really the people who voted for this shit are all much more to blame than people who didn't vote. Or how about the fact "Multiple Republican-led administrations removed voters from their states' voter rolls in the lead up to the election"? Or the fact you don't even vote on the week-end, which is what pretty much all civilised countries do, to give more chances to more people especially poor people to get to the voting stations?

On top of that, how can you know what people who didn't vote would have voted for? Some of the states with the lowest turnout are one that are historically considered more conservative-leaning (Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas, Missisipi, Tennessee). The results could have been "worse" (whatever that means, given the shitshow that is the Electoral College).

Really, it feels like it's so much easier to blame a subset of people than to confront the fact that, in the US, the majority of the population appears to be for an autocratic asshat who has claimed they wouldn't need to vote after they vote for him. The US population, as a majority, appear to want this. More people voting may not have changed anything about that.

It's not surprising that voter turnout is now when you have an unhealthy democracy (because it is a symptom of it). This is a bit like blaming people for eating unhealthily when all that's available to eat is unhealthy: you're not wrong that it's bad for them, but what the fuck are you actually doing do provide better options? So rather than blame those who didn't vote, for any variety of reasons, get organising. Low turnout is a seed that was planted a long time ago.

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago

The people who did not vote for Harris destroyed all chances of ever getting a better candidate.

[-] axx@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 days ago

Why isn't it the people who didn't vote for Stein? The reasoning works the same.

At the end of the day, you are a hair away from "anyone who didn't vote from my preferred candidate sucks". But guess that's a lot more obvious when you are from a country that isn't entirely a two party system.

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 days ago

Because realism exists and Jill Stein is an even worse disaster than any democrat. Just marginally better than republicans.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Fuck no, no voting protest voters are part of the reason we have this sweeping fascist rule in our country. So no, they don't get a boo hoo pass on that shit.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Nope, got another 3.5 years of reminding protest-non-voters what they voted for.

[-] knightly@pawb.social 13 points 1 week ago

You are why the Democrats feel safe to run shitty candidates.

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[-] lost@lemmy.wtf 10 points 1 week ago

And in 12 months' time, the voting system will allow just one option. Great move, guys... great move.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

They'll never claim an ounce of the responsibility they deserve, the fucking scumbags

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Ha ha but You voted for Genocide!

/s

[-] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So did the protest non-voters, even moreso than the Democrat ones.

The non-genocide position was literally impossible to express no matter what you tried to do.

[-] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No it existed. Harris is on record saying she'd like to work towards peace talks.

Which is objectively better than option B: vote GOP "finish them off" and option C: literally doing nothing.

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[-] Alaik@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

But at least we didn't help hurrying along the most recent great extinction!

I wonder if anything we built will last for the next sentient species that arises.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well not voting in the American pres. election (or voting for someone sure to lose) was a half-vote for Donald. That's just math.

[-] houseofleft@slrpnk.net 15 points 1 week ago

I totally feel this frustration, and I'm not US so it's kinda not my business, but I don't buy this argument.

Trump America is a horror show, for sure. But the status quo before Trump is also the foundations that allowed America to become a new facist state. Any real solutions need to be bigger than what middle of the road Democrats are offering.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't vote against Trump. But the system is clearly broken, stop blaming victims of it, and start blaming its perpetrators.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Status quo of Biden implementing Green energy, EVs, build back better, PACT act, chips act, student debt relief, Obama's healthcare. And you're equating this to .... status quo.... , and .... a foundation of a fascist state. ........

[-] houseofleft@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 week ago

I'm 100% not equating Biden with Trump. I'm not trying to deny the comolete horror Trump is afflicting of US and non-US citizens right now.

I'm just saying, he's a symptom of a broken system. America will only come out of this situation if it recognises that it needs to make real and lasting change.

The non voters might not help, but they're at least acknowledging this reality. And putting them in the same camp as literal facists is not helping anyone.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I'm not saying that you're equating Biden with Trump. I listing off all the accomplishments of the Dems that you are bizarrely trying to call status quo and whatever gymnastics to cram it into "foundations of fascism" something system.

And you are continuing to try to do this. The Dems were making "real" changes to improve society. But you're still trying whatever this mental gymnastics is.

[-] houseofleft@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I think you might have misread my initial comment in that I didn't say, and don't agree with branding Biden as the "foundations of facism".

I'm not saying Biden, Obama, Bush etc are some kind of proto-facists like that implies. I said "the foundations that allowed America to become a new facist state". I think unless you disagree with me calling Trump's government facist, that the previous governments created an environment in which he could rise to power seems more or less a statement of fact.

If you're interested in understanding where I'm coming from (who knows, we're on the internet after all!) I'd say I mostly agree with Naomi Klein's take that global politics have become too subservient to mega-corportations and that that's creating a decline in equality which is driving far right ideology worldwide.[0]

I'm pretty far into stuff that I wasn't initially trying to comment on though. My point is that the US political system is broken, and blaming people who are disenfranchised at that isn't an effective strategy for changing things.

[0] https://www.noisnotenough.org/

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

There's nothing to read or even misread because you are doing mental gymnastics. It's nonsense.

[-] houseofleft@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 days ago

I mean you literally used quotation marks to write words I didn't say, but fine. I assume from your comments that you're progressive and anti-Trump, so keep on pushing for those values!

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[-] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago

Protest non-voters accounted for maybe 800k, while RFK accounted for 1.3m.

But sure, let's keep blaming voters instead of the Democrats that chose to represent Republican Lite™.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

I'm informing protest-non-voters what they actually voted for.

[-] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago

Ok, so protest non-voters accounted for 800k of the non-voting population in 2024.

Want to know how many didn't vote not because of protesting?

About 36% of eligible Americans didn't vote either D, R, or 3rd party in 2024. That's about 120 million Americans. 800k is less than 1% of 120mn.

You know these numbers, and you're still telling me that the protest non-voters were the issue: not that Democrats lost 8 million voters between 2020 and 2024?

Why do you think Democrats both failed to capture more voters despite the eligible voting population increasing from 2020 to 2024, and hemorrhaged their already existing base?

I'll wait for you to draw the conclusion that best suits your liberal comforts.

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[-] seejur@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Republican lite at this moment sounds a lot more refreshing than Republican nazi

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[-] torch_and_blanket@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oh, no doubt, but a worse foe lurks! Some people voted for Donald Trump.

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[-] motor_spirit@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago

"christians" just do not give a fuck about kids unless they're touching them or oppressing brown ones smfh

[-] sunflowercowboy@feddit.org 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I appreciate the quotations. Many people do not understand that inherently they have to wear this mask. Christianity was founded on martyrs who died for what they believed. If Jesus only did 2 'exorcisms' and one of them was to inspire mary Magdalene and the other to dissuade Legionnaire propaganda. Hence the Legion story becomes a fascists pig criticism.

Then again, most christians don't even understand how Jesus existed in a post empire world. Or how that empire made him into the depiction of the devil too.

Jewish traditions essentially praise god and then renounce him for one's self journey. This is why you wish to see angels, messengers, and not the god. The powers in place are usually not your ally, but your family and love can help you prevail.

Do not call god by name, respect his power but give no more. This starts to seem as rules for surviving.

They purposely don the name to weaken the capability of people even attempting to unite behind it. Even if Jesus came back.

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[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 19 points 1 week ago

Probably a blessing in disguise. If they were funding climate research it would almost certainly be fraudulent science.

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 24 points 1 week ago

They had a corps of competent people with civil service protections who were getting paid out of that budget. They avoided committing fraud during the first Trump administration

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 8 points 1 week ago

This isn't the first Trump administration. This administration doesn't concern itself with civil service protections.

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 week ago

They are trying change things, but there's a good chance basic stuff like measuring CO2 concentrations would continue normally with a nonzero budget

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