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The Trump budget proposes $0 for climate research in 2026
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This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
Maybe they think the flooding won’t affect them on their moral high ground.
Can we give this rhetoric a rest? The voting system, the enforced lack of alternatives, hell even really the people who voted for this shit are all much more to blame than people who didn't vote. Or how about the fact "Multiple Republican-led administrations removed voters from their states' voter rolls in the lead up to the election"? Or the fact you don't even vote on the week-end, which is what pretty much all civilised countries do, to give more chances to more people especially poor people to get to the voting stations?
On top of that, how can you know what people who didn't vote would have voted for? Some of the states with the lowest turnout are one that are historically considered more conservative-leaning (Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas, Missisipi, Tennessee). The results could have been "worse" (whatever that means, given the shitshow that is the Electoral College).
Really, it feels like it's so much easier to blame a subset of people than to confront the fact that, in the US, the majority of the population appears to be for an autocratic asshat who has claimed they wouldn't need to vote after they vote for him. The US population, as a majority, appear to want this. More people voting may not have changed anything about that.
It's not surprising that voter turnout is now when you have an unhealthy democracy (because it is a symptom of it). This is a bit like blaming people for eating unhealthily when all that's available to eat is unhealthy: you're not wrong that it's bad for them, but what the fuck are you actually doing do provide better options? So rather than blame those who didn't vote, for any variety of reasons, get organising. Low turnout is a seed that was planted a long time ago.
Fuck no, no voting protest voters are part of the reason we have this sweeping fascist rule in our country. So no, they don't get a boo hoo pass on that shit.
The reason you have sweeping fascist rule in your country is because you have tonnes of people who are okay with that.
Seriously, you can blame those that didn't vote as much as you want, but you're just averting your eyes from the real problem, as far as I can tell.
Nope, got another 3.5 years of reminding protest-non-voters what they voted for.
You are why the Democrats feel safe to run shitty candidates.
Other way round actually.
I wish I had that much power, then I'd simply demand that the Democrats run good candidates that people would vote for.
and you are why the entire world for generations have to deal with the aftermath of another trump presidency
Blaming voters for your candidates' failure sure is a good way to get more voters, isn't it?
mine? mate i’m not from your country
you just don’t seem to understand basic logic: people protest voted, and yall are now inflicting trump on the world
you had 3 options: protest vote, vote D, vote R
congrats you got R.. thats muuuuuuch better. i’m sure when the marines get deployed to your city you can be comforted by the fact that at least you sent the democrats a message!
how’s that going by the way? they listening? is it working? please tell me you at least achieved that! because if they haven’t listened, SHIT you got fascism AND a party that’s in every possible way “meh”
Zohran Mamdani won the NYC primary, so it sure sounds like the voters are paying attention.
Whether or not the party wants to listen is their perogative, so long as they claim to represent us they can rise or fall on the strength of their promises to us and our faith in their willingness to make good on those promises.
"Nothing will fundamentally change" sure isn't working as well as Obama's "hope and change", is it?
Yes, thats the exactly place to go hard left, full on no compromises. In the Democratic primaries.
Not in the presidential election when you know one of exactly two people will win and your choice is which one of them you favour over the other.
And in 12 months' time, the voting system will allow just one option. Great move, guys... great move.
But how does voting protect in any way against your supreme court being stuffed with judges who clearly have no problems being completely biased and using the court as a tool for partisan politics?
It doesn't. You'd need an opposition party that actually fights that crap. That recognises tactics to pervert instituions for what they are and acts accordingly. You'd need different "checks and balances".
Electoralism breaks down when you don't have a healthy democracy and public institutions. We can now all see that the USA's institutions and constitution were not as strong as they were made to be.
Your political system is so fucked up, and yet you insist on blaming the voters.
This obsession with voting as the main form of political participation is IMHO childish and doesn't do justice to the reality of the world.
I don’t often use internet lingo, but the people yelling into the void about “non voters” are 100% doing what the internet deems, a “cope”
Inventing an invisible boogeyman to yell at because things are bad makes them feel better.
Quick edit: it’s frustrating how downvoted you are for being correct, honestly.
Thank you for this :')
Nope. These people need to feel just as stupid as Trump voters in 2016 who subsequently voted for Biden after seeing the result. Given how many are still defensively showing up to post walls of text every time this is brought up, there's a lot of work to be done to overcome the counter-messaging.
We should absolutely do what we can to primary feckless centrist Democrats, and to push the party to the left, but that's not mutually exclusive with getting people to show up and not make the same stupid decision twice. We aren't going to completely fix our democracy in 2 years to the point that these idiots will be satisfied. We can make headway on making things better, but people need to vote for that to happen.
So to be absolutely clear: if you did not vote, this is what you voted for. That should be upsetting, you should feel bad, and you should make damn sure that you don't make the same mistake in 2026, 2028, or any other election as long as you live.
They'll never claim an ounce of the responsibility they deserve, the fucking scumbags
Ha ha but You voted for Genocide!
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So did the protest non-voters, even moreso than the Democrat ones.
The non-genocide position was literally impossible to express no matter what you tried to do.
No it existed. Harris is on record saying she'd like to work towards peace talks.
Which is objectively better than option B: vote GOP "finish them off" and option C: literally doing nothing.
But at least we didn't help hurrying along the most recent great extinction!
I wonder if anything we built will last for the next sentient species that arises.
Well not voting in the American pres. election (or voting for someone sure to lose) was a half-vote for Donald. That's just math.
I totally feel this frustration, and I'm not US so it's kinda not my business, but I don't buy this argument.
Trump America is a horror show, for sure. But the status quo before Trump is also the foundations that allowed America to become a new facist state. Any real solutions need to be bigger than what middle of the road Democrats are offering.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't vote against Trump. But the system is clearly broken, stop blaming victims of it, and start blaming its perpetrators.
Status quo of Biden implementing Green energy, EVs, build back better, PACT act, chips act, student debt relief, Obama's healthcare. And you're equating this to .... status quo.... , and .... a foundation of a fascist state. ........
I'm 100% not equating Biden with Trump. I'm not trying to deny the comolete horror Trump is afflicting of US and non-US citizens right now.
I'm just saying, he's a symptom of a broken system. America will only come out of this situation if it recognises that it needs to make real and lasting change.
The non voters might not help, but they're at least acknowledging this reality. And putting them in the same camp as literal facists is not helping anyone.
I'm not saying that you're equating Biden with Trump. I listing off all the accomplishments of the Dems that you are bizarrely trying to call status quo and whatever gymnastics to cram it into "foundations of fascism" something system.
And you are continuing to try to do this. The Dems were making "real" changes to improve society. But you're still trying whatever this mental gymnastics is.
Biden's "green" Infrastructure Plan is increasing carbon emissions though.
Green energy and infrastructure are two separate things. That you have to hammer them together to make a bad faith argument is telling.
Could. Potentially. And if you read how they did their figuring yeah it's no surprise they keep inserting words like "could". Then certain people read it and think that means "is".
But in any case green energy and infrastructure are two separate things.
And back to this post, what's Trump doing? Line item is Zero.
Protest non-voters accounted for maybe 800k, while RFK accounted for 1.3m.
But sure, let's keep blaming voters instead of the Democrats that chose to represent Republican Lite™.
I'm informing protest-non-voters what they actually voted for.
Ok, so protest non-voters accounted for 800k of the non-voting population in 2024.
Want to know how many didn't vote not because of protesting?
About 36% of eligible Americans didn't vote either D, R, or 3rd party in 2024. That's about 120 million Americans. 800k is less than 1% of 120mn.
You know these numbers, and you're still telling me that the protest non-voters were the issue: not that Democrats lost 8 million voters between 2020 and 2024?
Why do you think Democrats both failed to capture more voters despite the eligible voting population increasing from 2020 to 2024, and hemorrhaged their already existing base?
I'll wait for you to draw the conclusion that best suits your liberal comforts.
Republican lite at this moment sounds a lot more refreshing than Republican nazi
No shit. Trump whispered sweet nothings to those outside his MAGAt base by appealing to affordability and peace. Since then, he's followed through on exactly none of that.
In the past, people like Obama at least lied to Americans about what they would deliver as president, while shortly thereafter doing the same as Trump. Democrats in 2024 couldn't even lie their faces off by speaking to the same points as Trump. Well, Kamala did after first when she brought Walz on board, but that quickly changed come the DNC where she said she wouldn't diverge one bit from Biden.
Oh, no doubt, but a worse foe lurks! Some people voted for Donald Trump.