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[-] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 228 points 1 year ago

The legal grounds: The oil was shipped by a US company in violation of US law. American companies can't do business with an organisation that the US government has designated as a terrorist organisation. Thus American authorities siezed the ship and its cargo.

[-] Lafuma300@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

The legal grounds: it is ok when we do it. This is just old fashioned piracy, but of course you'll try to justify it.

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 85 points 1 year ago

The ship was not intercepted by the Navy. They served a court order on the company and the company turned the ship back and its cargo was seized

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why is this person getting upvotes for clearly lying. Empire Navigation is based in Greece. Here’s more info: Source.

[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago

But the company pleaded guilty...

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[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 78 points 1 year ago

So...will they seize the companies assets and arrest the CEO for violating the sanctions?

Because that's how you stop this shit.

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[-] TheThirdAccount@kbin.social 61 points 1 year ago

There is a lot of misreporting and misunderstanding about this. OFAC (Office of Foreign Asset Control) exists within Treasury and is responsible for enforcing sanctions usually created by executive order ("EO"), or very rarely, Congress. EOs and OFAC interpretation are very specific: some sanctions, such as the ones on the export of Iranian crude/products, are explicitly extraterritorial. Meaning, the US reserves the right to come after you no matter what country you are a citizen of or where you company is domiciled. It's very rare for them to try this one anyone who doesn't have US nexus since there is not much practically speaking they can do, but they could in theory. OFAC has, no pun intended, FAQs for all of this easily found at their site.

Now, this case was extra stupid. Oaktree is the single biggest PE investor in shipping, going in heavy starting a bit before the financial crash and going in really big with Eagle Bulk c. 2012 or so. Oaktree is, as stated, a US company, but that wasn't the main reason: they did this transaction in USD. Which was stupid, but having met the bastards at Empire a few times, I can say they are not the brightest bunch (as as far as I understand they are doing most of this kind of work in EUR with some shady banks nowadays anyway). Anyway any transaction in USD goes through the SWIFT system (which is why kicking Russia out of it was such a massive deal). This means there was simply no way this was not going to get eventually scanned since banks have repurposed their AML programs into sanctions programs or subscribe to sanctions-specific services like PoleStar's PupleTrac (what my company uses) or Windward or Lloyd's, etc. Now the dirty secret is that the banks don't really understand movement data that well, but Empires has done this (and Venezuela) so often for so long, someone at Treasury probably said, "OK, since we got Oaktree all up in this, let's make an example of of these guys to scare others away from these trades."

[spoiler alert: it did not scare others away from these trades and most folks estimate there are about 1,000 large tankers that form a so called "Dark Fleet" trading in Iran, Venezuela, and now Russia since both crude and product have broken the price cap at all Russian export locations. You cam make about 40% more shipping such cargos than legal ones.]

Anyway, I digress, The the point is that OFAC doesn't care if you have US nexus; it just makes you easier to catch if you do. Source: I am the head of credit and compliance for a large oil company that works closely with the shipping industry.

[-] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 17 points 1 year ago

Now I'm curious to know how a head of compliance for a oil company found their way to kbin.social.

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

They could at least give Iran back their oil. This is like when cops steal your jewelry and claim civil forfeiture.

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

US navy commiting piracy on the open seas because they're the only substantial naval force that exists globally

Seriously though, they do this to Argentina too lmao.

So much for free trade

[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

read the article

[-] FlowVoid@midwest.social 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not piracy when the ship literally sailed to Texas and delivered the oil as part of a plea bargain deal.

The US Navy was not involved.

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[-] hark@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

You can tell from the comments in this post that Americans are immune to propaganda.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

In their view propaganda only comes from rouge nations, and their superior intellect safeguards them from the impact of foreign propaganda. Despite living in the worlds most propagandized country.

[-] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 year ago

I somehow don't think the US is more propagandized than, say, North Korea. I want a source on this or I'm just going to assume you're pulling it out of your ass.

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

rouge nations

Can't tell if typo or extremely clever pun

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

... Orange man didn't get elected on his wit and charm.

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[-] MrBusinessMan@lemm.ee 34 points 1 year ago

This is egregious big government overreach impeding business and free trade

[-] OldPain@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

It's countering money laundering by the IRGC. Read up.

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[-] Franzia 17 points 1 year ago

The free market of ideas decided fuck around with human rights and find out you've made a powerful enemy.

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

I’m gonna take a break while the bots and state department shills get their talking points worked out; so they can explain and justify how this is legal by international standards.

[-] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago

Maybe you should join hexbear

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Maybe you should explain how it’s okay for America to steal from another country?

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[-] Absolutemehperson@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

ITT: "It's ok when we do it."

[-] Franzia 21 points 1 year ago

Of course it's okay we sanction human rights abusers. Europe does it, too. Am I supposed to disagree with another country's sanctions or something?

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[-] SCB@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

This but unironically.

The court filings also show allegations that “profits from oil sales support the IRGC’s full range of malign activities, including the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and their means of delivery, support for terrorism and both domestic and international human rights abuses.”

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[-] mojo@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

I think the proper word here is "liberated"

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[-] teft@startrek.website 22 points 1 year ago

So privateer is a legitimate profession again?

[-] Badass_panda@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

The government served them a court order, they turned the ship around and handed it over. No US naval involvement, etc.

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

And we wonder why they hate us.

[-] luthis@lemmy.nz 42 points 1 year ago

How dare we take a stand against genocide.

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