On X11 and the Fascists Maggots : linux

[-] trevor 119 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This probably has a lot to do with the new DOA XServer fork being "anti-DEI" (pro-discrimination). When these slimy shitweasels go out and vice signal about how bigoted they are, they congregate around it and form a new harassment campagin because they have no life.

Sorry you're getting harassed. I hope you can take solace in the fact that these little pissbabies lead miserable lives.

[-] codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 80 points 1 month ago

There is no place for Fascists within the Open Source and Free Software communities or the society at large. You will never fester your poisonous roots here. Go back to the cave you crawled out from where no sunlight can reach.

NAZI! DEVS! FUCK! OFF! 💯

[-] the_wiz@feddit.org 11 points 1 month ago

Nazis AND Devs should fuck of?

[-] gwilikers@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

No. Nazis should fuck off.

Devs should just fuck.

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[-] TechieDamien@lemmy.ml 62 points 1 month ago

Wayland is gay?! I need to get off my ass and finally switch then!

[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 month ago

Can confirm, having my different refresh rate monitors play nice with each other is extremely homosexual.

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

X11 is on/under your ass?
Maybe they were both gay all along, that's why we enjoy their sessions so much.

[-] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 52 points 1 month ago

Is this an effect of the microplastics in our brains?

[-] drspod@lemmy.ml 62 points 1 month ago

It's the effect of a persistent decades-long disinformation campaign perpetrated by those who wish to destabilize western democracies which has been signal-boosted by naive (or maliciously designed) recommendation algorithms on social media platforms.

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[-] potatoguy@potato-guy.space 50 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

All these "concerned" comments about systemd, wayland, etc, always seemed dog whistling to me. I have critiques about these projects, but the specific things this specific type of people says always comes coded in some form of racism/transphobic/mysoginistic rethoric. Just changed from gamergate to linuxgate.

So i'm not surprised that they turned mask off like this.

Look at any anti-systemd channel, the comments are always the worst thing ever. Some lkml reading channels have these comments too.

[-] cubism_pitta@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

The systemd and the Wayland debate both feel very similar.

At the end of the day the old method of using init scripts was becoming inadequate and needed to change

Wayland debate seems the same, switching to Wayland has been talked about for over a decade. The change has been coming and frankly I was expecting it a lot earlier

Whats neat about linux though is if you have nothing better to do and are knowledgeable enough to bitch about all of this; then you also have the technical prowess to standup an install of your favorite distro and get it to use X instead of Wayland and init scripts instead of systemd

For me as an enduser I hope Wayland enables more modern features to be delivered more easily as X has felt old for a while.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 month ago

I'm just confused. Like, how would someone even connect Linux software to those topics?
I totally believe you that they do, and I'm not actually interested in hearing messed up shit, I'm just...

If you asked me which topics were unlikely to have bizarre vile messaging I would have listed window managers and init systems pretty high in the list.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 31 points 1 month ago

You need to think of the kind of people that are interested in nerdy computing topics. Regular people that just want to make something nice to share with the world, sure, but also incels, toxic masculinity proponents, etc.

They're mostly able to hide, because like you point out, computer science and related topics are mostly apolitical; when you make scary changes, however, those same latter people can't help themselves but to blame the villainous "They."

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago

Ugh. people can suck sometimes. I can comprehend the concept of bigotry and all that, but it just deeply does not make sense to me. And I think I'm ultimately okay with not being able to empathize with actual hatred.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It makes me sad that some of the "nerdy" people in these spaces would join with the very people that would gladly throw them under the bus or use them as minority fodder, but as I've seen with experts in science, high intelligence in one area doesn't mean you are capable of critical thinking.

ETA: to be clear, I'm not saying we should ignore scientists and experts, just that specialized expertise ≠ general expertise.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

The two people I trust least on matters of science are some person who reckons it's common sense and someone with a doctorate in something vaguely similar.

The third and fourth are every engineer and every physician that isn't actually an expert on the thing, but that's because we think we know everything.

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[-] potatoguy@potato-guy.space 16 points 1 month ago

"How am I going to be racist today? OOH, the parallel command is pretty woke"

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[-] the_wiz@feddit.org 49 points 1 month ago

X11 AND Wayland are for degenerates, a distraction at best but mostly just something that wastes CPU cycles and RAM.

THE FUTURE IS TERMINAL!

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 month ago

obviously the future is shoving the ethernet cable up your ass and dialing in directly

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 11 points 1 month ago

That would explain 70% of the shit you can find on the internet

[-] tal@lemmy.today 11 points 1 month ago

THE FUTURE IS TERMINAL!

The past and present are also terminal.

[-] pfr@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 month ago

The future is ARCAN!

[-] the_wiz@feddit.org 7 points 1 month ago

Thank you for this new rabbit hole that thanks to my pathological curiosity for software on the far side of normalcy i now HAVE to explore and waste time i should spend working on a project 😜

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[-] CoyoteFacts@piefed.ca 46 points 1 month ago

As a commenter on that post says, this sort of talk is also common in the comments of Phoronix articles. The commenter says they've completely stopped supporting Phoronix since it's clear that Michael enables this behavior by not moderating it (the least he could do is disable commenting; the type of people that are in the Phoronix comments are the absolute worst). It's been festering for a very long time, unfortunately. Click any Phoronix article that's older than a day and check the negativity. Worse, click an article about a controversial topic like X11/Wayland/Systemd/bcachefs/KDE/GNOME/etc. and it's just a shitshow.

I've been seeing it to a lesser degree here as well. I don't know what it is about X11 that really riles up the conspiracy theorists.

[-] Feyd@programming.dev 24 points 1 month ago

YES. Phoronix articles are good but the comment sections are insane. There are a few very vocal users that would have been banned on any reasonably moderated forum, and they largely chase out the reasonable people.

Also, occasionally there is an article about CoC or something that is obviously going to bring the loonies out of the woodwork. The comment section will get closed, but not until after the giant flamewar has gone on for a bit. Michael has to know that's going to happen and make the decision not to close it immediately when he makes the post.

[-] Maiq@lemy.lol 6 points 1 month ago

The only thing I miss about X11 is xscreensaver. I hope the dev makes a port for wayland one day. I dont care if it ever has screen locking, i just want bouncing cows.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 37 points 1 month ago

There is no place for Fascists within the Open Source and Free Software communities or the society at large. You will never fester your poisonous roots here

So who took the blog post down at Gnome?

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[-] JadedBlueEyes@programming.dev 16 points 1 month ago

Wayland is basically X12 in many ways

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

switch from Gnome to a cooler window manager 🤷

I think that's easier for us to say, who actually do use something cooler. But for those whose workflow is messed up by this, I understand why they're upset. But yeah, it's time to move into the future, for real. High time.

[-] chortle_tortle@mander.xyz 14 points 1 month ago

You'd think they would be used to it since every update ruins their workflow too.

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[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 31 points 1 month ago

Article was taken down. Archive link: https://web.archive.org/web/20250624214542/https://blogs.gnome.org/alatiera/2025/06/23/the-fascist-maggots/

[-] DollyDuller@programming.dev 25 points 1 month ago

Archive link to the rescue: https://web.archive.org/web/20250624214542/https://blogs.gnome.org/alatiera/2025/06/23/the-fascist-maggots/

[-] Mihies@programming.dev 13 points 1 month ago

Once on internet, forever on internet :) Thanks.

[-] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 22 points 1 month ago

Is it so surprising that the mindset that makes people unable to face changes in one area of their lives also makes them unable to face changes in other areas?

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[-] mintiefresh@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 month ago

Haha what the hell did I just read

[-] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 17 points 1 month ago

Now I hate Gnome

But:

Harrassing the creators is cringe, even if they make (undeniably-very-competently-made-but-by-virtue-of-dumb-choices-rendered-into) bad computer programmes
Wayland is good actually, Gnome or otherwise.

[-] RustyShackleford@programming.dev 10 points 1 month ago

I use X11 over Wayland on KDE Neon for RustDesk compatibility. The Wayland support for that application is still in Beta from what I understand.

Are there other reasons why I should keep X11? I am on AMD Ryzen 9 5950X paired with a RTX 3090 FE on 570-open drivers, for reference.

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[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 9 points 1 month ago

Link is dead

I am not exaggerating one bit:

Wish I could believe you but I honestly don't believe anyone who says this anymore.

[-] U@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago

I made peace with this forced transition. I went from using one of the available standards (X11) to retrocomputing (X11).

I tried Wayland and what a mess... But I get it. Everything changes, and tech moves on.

As for me and my needs, as long as X11 does its job, I'll keep on using it.

I've followed some of the discussions around the need to have a more modern framework for current graphical systems. I'm pretty confident devs have their hearts and minds in the right place. It's just that Wayland doesn't work for me.

[-] prole 18 points 1 month ago

When was the last time your tried Wayland? I've had no issues with it whatsoever.

[-] andyburke@fedia.io 8 points 1 month ago

Same. Would be curious to know what problems this has caused any actual normal users (not weirdo fascist tech bros).

[-] mholiv@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

They probably won’t get specific.

But I will say that the comment here is a quintessential example of an anti Wayland/SystemD complaint.

Nothing specific ever. Just “it’s a mess and buggy and slow”.

This being said by me making this comment the original poster might come up with the some specifics just because they feel called out.

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[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 7 points 1 month ago

This read like a story from some fictional universum I don't follow.

[-] arsCynic@beehaw.org 7 points 1 month ago

Fascists and Nazis
Wild Conspiracy Theories that make Qanon jealous
“Concerned” Trolling about the Accessibility of the Wayland session
A culture war where Wayland is Gay, and X11 is the glorious past they stole from you

This all seems like AI slop not worth discussing.

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✍︎ arscyni.cc: modernity ∝ nature.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago

are you fucking signing your online comments

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[-] spartanatreyu@programming.dev 6 points 1 month ago

It's not AI slop, and we shouldn't need to discuss it.

But unfortunately some users' behaviour is destructive, so we have to discuss it.

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[-] miracleorange@beehaw.org 6 points 1 month ago

On the one hand, the guy who wrote this blog post is kinda unhinged.

On the other hand, I'm kinda living for it and agree with his views.

So really it all evens out in the end.