I haven't looked at the sub in a bit but that sub is actually becoming conservative again. That is to say there are actual conservative minded liberals advocating for the kinds of policy the GOP was pushing in the 1990s not the neofascism of the Trump era.
And yet nearly every single one of them will continue to vote Republican in every election for the rest of their lives.
Liberal fascism has always been a major force behind regular fascism.
What?
Anyone who doesn't blame all the ills of the world on the secret cabal of people controlling the banking system and the media and who doesn't propose a final solution of rounding up all these people and executing them is a Nazi.
I would welcome that return to reality even if not sense.
I'm from a very conservative state. They are very proud of and use public land, sometimes daily just like I do. The conservatives I know are not happy about this at all!
That’s very strange. If they value public land so highly, why would they back the party that always aims to privatise everything?
Most conservatives aren't really economically conservative. They too want police, schools, fire dept, infrastructure etc. to be well funded. There's just also a nebulous idea that "government wastes money" and they don't want their taxes taken.
My conservative former friend said he would never vote for any tax for any reason.
Crazy, but true. No he didnt want anything well funded.
One of the rallying cries of the Republican party that persuaded so many over the decades has always been fiscal responsibility and tax cuts. They have spent decades persuading voters that paying taxes is a terrible thing. They have claimed that bureaucracy is slow and wasteful. That the taxes people paid have been misappropriated. They have corrupted one of the most important things that a citizen can do for its nation. Pay taxes.
Paying taxes should be seen as a prideful act. This small action provides us with innumerable benefits that every single one of us benefits from.
The voting public has been lied to in an attempt to convince them they don't receive anything from the taxes they pay. This, as most people should recognize, is a falsehood. From the roads we drive on, the water we drink, and the sewage that gets washed away to the security net that allows millions of Americans to retire every year. Taxes are the foundation that has allowed us to become the strong and comfortable nation that we are.
Taxes are the reason we have such a strong military that many Republicans idolize (while many others denounce.) Taxes are the reason we almost every child in this country has at least a cursory education. Taxes are the reason so many can pursue the careers that keep us safe and healthy, like every single doctor, nurse, and everyone else that helps and support them. Taxes are the reason your community has playgrounds for your children. Taxes are the reason so many farmers even have an income at all.
I totally agree with you. Im just sharing one ill-informed viewpoint i have seen personally.
Conservatives are freeloaders. It's what they don't think social can't work.
They know they wouldn't contribute. They know they would exploit it.
Crazy, but true. No he didnt want anything well funded.
That's what he says... But does he drive on public roads? Does he use bridges? Does his residence have access to clean water and a functioning sewer? Etc. etc.
Absolutely he did. And he didnt want to pay for it and refused to vote for the taxes to support them.
He also bought an old truck that got 12 mpg and complained about gas prices from then on.
So your friend is constantly lobbying for dismantling the MIC, imperialism, etc.? Or they just don't want to pay for their violent privileges?
Honestly it's a pretty clever scam by conservatives. Run on a platform of big government is inept, wasting your money, we need to reduce spending and reduce taxes! Once in office, do nothing. Sabotage functional government. Obstruct long term projects. Now you have things to point to as proof that big government is bad and does nothing, because you were the big government and made sure nothing happens.
Yup, standard fascist procedure. All the Nazi parties in Europe want to be elected to the European Parliament with the very publicly expressed goal of breaking it from the inside to prove that European unity and globalism don't work.
It comes down to a fundamental lack of empathy. It's "why should I pay for schools if I don't have any kids" writ large.
“why should I pay for schools if I don’t have any kids”
so that illiterate gangs don't break into your house to steal your shit or kidnap you.
They're the kind of people that jerk off to the idea of shooting a home invader
That's a big part of it. There's also a lot of ignorance and stupidity.
They'll be like "I don't want government in health care" but also want Medicare and Medicaid.
They're like the "no take, only throw" dog except for taxing and spending.
if you want police funded I'm afraid you're just a conservative as well. that's a mainstream socially conservative opinion.
I'm not against the existence of a police force, but I am against what we have now. (USA)
so, reformism? that's also conservative IMO
So "Defund the Police" is a conservative movement? Huh...
Also, do you realize that "reform" and "conserve" are nearly polar opposites?
Mob justice is considered uncivilized for many reasons. There does need to be some sort of enforcement group of laws.
They should actually be educated on the law, "deescalation", and put people over property.
police is the definition of mob justice. the police is the armed wing of the state, and solely exists to keep exploitation viable.
ironically, there would be no need for "deescalation" if the state didn't exist because each community could just live peacefully based on mutual aid. once mutual aid gets too popular in a capitalist society, that's when the cops show up to prevent the usurpation of state dominion over all living beings.
And as soon as we can trust everybody to respect each other, that would be a fantastic system. But, unfortunately, there are pieces of shit who will take any opportunity they can to hurt others. Removing all law enforcement will give those people a free pass, and encourage others to do the same
Makes me think of Team America. Cops are dicks, but criminals are assholes. If you don't get the reference, look it up. It's a fun analogy.
even if you believe that humans are inherently violent and untrustworthy (white supremacist propaganda), that would be an argument against more hierarchy and deputizing state violence not for police existing.
frankly it sounds like you don't have lived experience with what it is that police actually do.
Your comments are especially humorous because you are WAY off.
I've been through the system. Long story short, I asked how to answer a question on a government form, I did what I was told, and I faced fraud charges. The cops fucked me, my defender fucked me, and the judge fucked me. I have NO faith in the system as it is.
You want to talk about being naive. Are you REALLY trying to tell me that if there was no law enforcement, that everybody would just start being nice to each other? How? Like for real, explain to me the rationale behind that.
I'm totally on your side. Fuck the police. A key lesson I taught my kids is NEVER talk to cops. Period.
Lawless anarchy won't work either. Those power hungry people who WOULD have become cops just to bully people, are just going to do it without a badge, and we'd find ourselves in a modern wild west. Whoever has the gun, will make the rules. Even the facade of regulation we have now would be gone.
Those power hungry people who WOULD have become cops just to bully people, are just going to do it without a badge, and we'd find ourselves in a modern wild west. Whoever has the gun, will make the rules. Even the facade of regulation we have now would be gone.
I'm not trying to be rude but this is exactly what's happening rn in the US with ICE agents and their mercenaries.
they're not able to commit the deportations because of a lack of law enforcement, but because laws are inherently racist. this shit started before Trump took power during a "progressive" presidency like Obama's. most people would probably agree he was following the rules of democracy yet he deported the most people.
Relevance? Two thirds of my last comment was complaining about how fucked the system is. You don't have to convince me of that. But, what you haven't told me is how a world without ANY law enforcement works.
Tell me how serial rapists are dealt with in your lawless world.
no laws doesn't mean no community values. victims either kill their rapist in self-defense or we all gather together to beat the rapist with a stick.
if they hold any position of power, they'd be banned from office forever and stripped of any social capital. if they try to contact their victims again, they're exiled.
but most importantly, we should ask the victim what they want, short of the death penalty or torture.
Too bad your entire justice system falls apart when I add one tiny detail: a ski mask.
She doesn't know who this guy is, so now what?
yeah, you're arguing in bad faith. why would a rapist need a ski mask when most rapes happen in the workplace, in the family or by intimate partners?
Interesting that in your world no rapist would ever think of that, but even if we pretend a woman always knows her rapist, what's your solution for roofies? That's a thing, woman wakes up battered no memory. Who does she tell? Who looks for this guy?
there are pieces of shit who will take any opportunity they can to hurt others.
Yeah they're called cops. They've enforced a racist system for centuries. They violently attack people so they can be tortured in cages.
Makes me think of Team America.
Yes, you sound like a crappy brainwashed cartoon for adult babies.
If they value public land so highly, why would they back the party that always aims to privatise everything?
Fash are dumb enough to think that they'll be the ones benefiting.
"he was only supposed to sell off national parks in the blue states" 😥
Tribalism and intentionally underfunded education, plus propaganda to push back on whatever independent thoughts may start to creep in.
The leopards are feasting
The libs are lol'ing. That's how fascism persists.
And what is it that you're doing?
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