Drive through times are often prioritized
So many places do order ahead now, though. I don't go to starbucks often, but when I do, I order ahead from my house, ride over on my electric board, walk in, grab my already made drink, and leave. In and out of the building in 15 seconds. Meanwhile, the drive-through extends through the entire parking lot barely moving. Absolute chumps.
They just need to add one more lane, bro.
This is probably during COVID when the inside was off limits.
Plenty of people still use the drive through, but the complete lack of anyone in the carpark is sus.
Former "partner"(ugh) circa 2015 here
Back when I walked for the bux, 5 years before covid, this was my daily drive thru experience. My store averaged about 6 grand (thats about 700 customers) on DT alone during our morning rush, 6 hours straight of underfilled cars starting their day with caffeine dessert.
This specific store could be a covid thing, but empty lobbies with cars wrapped around the building has kinda been starbie's MO for the last decade or so that they've been transitioning away from "third place" mindset to "oh fuck we're competing with McDicks mindset"
I see this kind of thing regularly at my local Raising Cane's Chicken Fingers restaurant when it hits dinner time. The cars wrap around the building and block other traffic.
Same for the DQ where I live.
Looks like covid lockdown time.
Though it's true that this particular picture was taken during covid time, it does not mean its any less true in conveying what North American car culture has actually done to our cities and infrastructure planning/implementation.
Here is a video of how school drop off's work in North America for example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLpCMdVcqTI
Looking at this particular plot of land in the image OP has posted. Land use is very poorly utilized. You have one business surrounded by a parking lot. This same space could have easily in a European city fit 5 or more businesses with plenty of residential units above and still be left with place for green space or a park.
30 people getting coffee vs 30 people getting coffee.
And a comparable parcel of land roughly the same size. Its night and day in terms of utilization of land alone.
Reminds me of how my (able bodied) mom would drive around looking for a closer parking spot for far longer than it would have taken to just walk from the first available one.
Literally! Anytime I go to Costco i intentionally go to the furthest spots because they're likely to be open and I'm fully capable of and enjoy walking.
You also can’t ride the cart through the parking lot if you park too close. Then you just look silly kicking it up to speed for just a short ride.
(I’m almost 40 and still do this every time I have to go shopping, like a reward for completing the draining task)
A former friend I met up with at a pub parked in a handicapped spot because they couldn't find a spot in less than two blocks. They didn't have a handicap or a disability vehicle tag. I had biked and walked four blocks just because I liked walking. Stopped being friends with them after that for being so ableist and a general asshole. Really tells you a lot about a person.
I purposefully park in the back. I don't get enough walking casually throughout the day. Plus I don't want people to ding my car.
Was this taken during covid lockdowns when the indoor section was closed and there was no other option?
This shit happens daily at the in-n-out near me. My wife swears th wait is worth it. Drives me nuts.
Well. Some places don't offer counter service and their doors are locked. You have to use the drive thru. Otherwise I agree with you except I don't get to even talk to a human, I am directed to a kiosk. And they flash a tip option. A tip for what?
Until you realize that they purposefully understaff and now your front counter guy has to prioritize drive thru times over your order because that's the only metric corporate measures.
Everyone behind the silver car at the parking lot entrance is illegally blocking the road. Regardless of the car culture problem or OP's disingenuous use of a CoViD era image out of context, those people needed to go away. If you can't get your coffee without parking in the street, you don't get coffee at that location at that time. Safety is more important than someone getting their sugar/caffeine fix.
The legality really depends on the jurisdiction. Where I live, it is 100% the business responsibility to ensure this doesn't happen, and if it does, there are big fines for the business, the customer is not at fault.
Plenty of things the business could do to reduce this, such as making people park up after ordering (a very popular option where I live), increasing prices to reduce their demand, having a digital queue system, removing the drive-through altogether, etc.
Is nobody mentioning the fact that there are 4 lane roads surrounding the entire coffee shop? Like thats absolutely the least or one of the least efficient ways you could do urban planning. In areas similar to this where I live, the block sizes are at least like 5x wider and longer than whatever this is.
People were getting annoyed at the queue, so they kept adding one more lane?
Great point, what sort of a hellscape is that!?
First, the city should be ticketing every single vehicle that is parking in the road and blocking traffic. If I was a cop, I would just park myself right there and hand out easy tickets all day every day. Being in line for a drive through does not excuse blocking traffic.
But the bigger issue that people here are missing is that going into the store may not actually save you any time. Often when I've tried that at places like McDonalds, the drive through is far faster than waiting in the kitchen. Their whole operation is optimized for the drive through, and in-kitchen orders end up stuck in this weird ghetto backlog that they'll get to when they feel like getting to it.
If you are in the appropriate lane for the turn you intend to make, and the car in front of you isn't moving, I'm pretty sure the law doesn't require you to pick a different destination or ram the car ahead of you. What the law should be is a different question, but cop you would just see a bunch of tickets thrown out in quick succession. I don't know what that realistically means for the job, but it can't be good.
genuinely every time I go inside a place, it's faster than drive through
There is a popular place near me where the line could be as long as the photo and they would get you through in a few minutes. Of course that involves having several people walking the cars getting orders and taking money. The window hands out the food as fast as the drivers can pull up. It's insane but impressive.
I was ready to go in here and say I won't get out of my car until I see the others in my group show up to whatever place we're eating. I've got some social anxiety issues though.
This though...this is fucking stupid. I see this shit at coffee stands like Dutch Bros all the time. They have a walk up window. It's like 5x faster to get the fuck out of your car, order at the window, and walk away with your sugar bomb.
The same with fast food. My wife worked at BK on an AFB for a long time. Airmen would line up in the drive through. Inside was near empty. Same deal. It'd be much faster to get out of my truck, go in, order my shit, and leave. Then they'd have the audacity to complain that the place was "wasting their lunch break." Bitch, there's a commissary with fresh sushi in it, always stocked, a made to order deli sub place in the back, and lots of other healthy things. You could also bring your own food from home. You could also get out of the fucking car and get it.
I'm not fully anti car as everyone on here, though I do get it and wish there was better mass transit and walkable areas. I do think vehicles have their uses, and that MT isn't an option for everyone. That said, this type of shit is stupid af. Stop clogging up the roads. Stop wasting gas. Stop polluting with your idling bullshit (I'm seeing at least 3 gas guzzlers in the pic in the comments.)
This is also incredibly dangerous. Blocking a lane causes backups further down. It causes people to have to merge into other lanes. Often times people don't pay attention and dodge at the last minute, or they get frustrated/angry and make stupid decisions.
Most people here are not totally against cars. We're mainly against car-centric design. Of course cars have uses, specially for the disabled.
Because if you go in there is just no one taking your order and they completely deprioritize it too. Takes just as long or longer half the time I've tried
They'll tell you it's because "nobody wants to work" when the reality is that people just stopped putting up with that job for the scraps they were paid. These places were never successful and deserve to go out of business as they rely on poverty wages for their existence.
Not to excuse it but some restaurants prioritize drive through over the people who order inside.
Just yesterday I wanted to go out to see my "local" town. I ended up going out for about 3 hours, 2 or which were "sitting" in the car commuting from a "livley" area to another "lively" area.
Business like the one shown in this photo posted by OP have become to far apart from one another, separate by seas of parking and 8 lanes of pavement.
Its astonishing that this is considered "normal" in North America. Just going to the local Walmart to get some milk can take about a hour or two of your day.
Walking is almost out of the question, just imaging leaving the Walmart that is probably located on the other side to arrive at the front door of this coffee chain.
The brain rot is insane. Every Starbucks and Chickfila.
I hope this isn't a photo from mode pandemic... I mean fuck cars and all that, but drive thru was clutch for a bit there.
Someone mentioned that it was indeed pandemic time. Hence the lack of any parked cars.
50 tons of social stratification
Fast food has destaffed their registers so even with this line it is probably faster to drive through than to wait to order before you wait for your deprioritized food
Unrelated, but why are there two different styles of crosswalk? I'm not from the states and I've never seen either before.
There isn't really a standard crosswalk design over here. Likely each one was done at different times, part of different jobs.
You point of order does not affect the maximum throughput, I guess.
There's 26 spaces and 2 disabled spaces. There's about 35 cars waiting in line but it's not clear if they're all in line for the restaurant or if they need to be in that lane for other reasons. Only one space is filled in the parking lot, 25 of these cars could be parked and have people inside, leaving maybe 10 cars for the drive through but even then the 10 in the drive through would be blocking cars from coming or going.
These drive-thrus are always so fucking badly designed.
Carbrained and fast-foodbrained. Cook a fuckin meal and you might save more time, jeeze.
It’s a coffee shop. Which is even worse than fast food.
What tunnel vision does to a mf
Only one car parked. Either most of the staff is taking transit to work, or this place is dismally understaffed.
Plot twist: They're all working there, they are just getting a coffee on the way to their job.
I love me a drive thru when I'm so exhausted I don't want to get out of the car. Car has comfy seats and HVAC. Normally I do prefer going in to get the order faster though.
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