They just need to add one more lane, bro.
This is probably during COVID when the inside was off limits.
Plenty of people still use the drive through, but the complete lack of anyone in the carpark is sus.
Former "partner"(ugh) circa 2015 here
Back when I walked for the bux, 5 years before covid, this was my daily drive thru experience. My store averaged about 6 grand (thats about 700 customers) on DT alone during our morning rush, 6 hours straight of underfilled cars starting their day with caffeine dessert.
This specific store could be a covid thing, but empty lobbies with cars wrapped around the building has kinda been starbie's MO for the last decade or so that they've been transitioning away from "third place" mindset to "oh fuck we're competing with McDicks mindset"
I see this kind of thing regularly at my local Raising Cane's Chicken Fingers restaurant when it hits dinner time. The cars wrap around the building and block other traffic.
Same for the DQ where I live.
Fast food has destaffed their registers so even with this line it is probably faster to drive through than to wait to order before you wait for your deprioritized food
I was ready to go in here and say I won't get out of my car until I see the others in my group show up to whatever place we're eating. I've got some social anxiety issues though.
This though...this is fucking stupid. I see this shit at coffee stands like Dutch Bros all the time. They have a walk up window. It's like 5x faster to get the fuck out of your car, order at the window, and walk away with your sugar bomb.
The same with fast food. My wife worked at BK on an AFB for a long time. Airmen would line up in the drive through. Inside was near empty. Same deal. It'd be much faster to get out of my truck, go in, order my shit, and leave. Then they'd have the audacity to complain that the place was "wasting their lunch break." Bitch, there's a commissary with fresh sushi in it, always stocked, a made to order deli sub place in the back, and lots of other healthy things. You could also bring your own food from home. You could also get out of the fucking car and get it.
I'm not fully anti car as everyone on here, though I do get it and wish there was better mass transit and walkable areas. I do think vehicles have their uses, and that MT isn't an option for everyone. That said, this type of shit is stupid af. Stop clogging up the roads. Stop wasting gas. Stop polluting with your idling bullshit (I'm seeing at least 3 gas guzzlers in the pic in the comments.)
This is also incredibly dangerous. Blocking a lane causes backups further down. It causes people to have to merge into other lanes. Often times people don't pay attention and dodge at the last minute, or they get frustrated/angry and make stupid decisions.
Most people here are not totally against cars. We're mainly against car-centric design. Of course cars have uses, specially for the disabled.
Dutch bros isn't coffee lol it's sugar water with flavoring
I always tell my wife she can save money and just eat out of the bag of sugar we have at home.
Everyone behind the silver car at the parking lot entrance is illegally blocking the road. Regardless of the car culture problem or OP's disingenuous use of a CoViD era image out of context, those people needed to go away. If you can't get your coffee without parking in the street, you don't get coffee at that location at that time. Safety is more important than someone getting their sugar/caffeine fix.
The legality really depends on the jurisdiction. Where I live, it is 100% the business responsibility to ensure this doesn't happen, and if it does, there are big fines for the business, the customer is not at fault.
Plenty of things the business could do to reduce this, such as making people park up after ordering (a very popular option where I live), increasing prices to reduce their demand, having a digital queue system, removing the drive-through altogether, etc.
Well. Some places don't offer counter service and their doors are locked. You have to use the drive thru. Otherwise I agree with you except I don't get to even talk to a human, I am directed to a kiosk. And they flash a tip option. A tip for what?
Just yesterday I wanted to go out to see my "local" town. I ended up going out for about 3 hours, 2 or which were "sitting" in the car commuting from a "livley" area to another "lively" area.
Business like the one shown in this photo posted by OP have become to far apart from one another, separate by seas of parking and 8 lanes of pavement.
Its astonishing that this is considered "normal" in North America. Just going to the local Walmart to get some milk can take about a hour or two of your day.
Walking is almost out of the question, just imaging leaving the Walmart that is probably located on the other side to arrive at the front door of this coffee chain.
Was this taken during covid lockdowns when the indoor section was closed and there was no other option?
This shit happens daily at the in-n-out near me. My wife swears th wait is worth it. Drives me nuts.
Looks like covid lockdown time.
Though it's true that this particular picture was taken during covid time, it does not mean its any less true in conveying what North American car culture has actually done to our cities and infrastructure planning/implementation.
Here is a video of how school drop off for example work in North America.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLpCMdVcqTI
Looking at this particular plot of land in the image OP has posted. Land use is very poorly utilized. You have one business surrounded by a parking lot. This same space could have easily in a European city fit 5 or more businesses with plenty of residential units above and still be left with place for green space or a park.
30 people getting coffee vs 30 people getting coffee.
And a comparable parcel of land roughly the same size. Its night and day in terms of utilization of land alone.
Until you realize that they purposefully understaff and now your front counter guy has to prioritize drive thru times over your order because that's the only metric corporate measures.
Is nobody mentioning the fact that there are 4 lane roads surrounding the entire coffee shop? Like thats absolutely the least or one of the least efficient ways you could do urban planning. In areas similar to this where I live, the block sizes are at least like 5x wider and longer than whatever this is.
People were getting annoyed at the queue, so they kept adding one more lane?
Great point, what sort of a hellscape is that!?
Reminds me of how my (able bodied) mom would drive around looking for a closer parking spot for far longer than it would have taken to just walk from the first available one.
Literally! Anytime I go to Costco i intentionally go to the furthest spots because they're likely to be open and I'm fully capable of and enjoy walking.
You also can’t ride the cart through the parking lot if you park too close. Then you just look silly kicking it up to speed for just a short ride.
(I’m almost 40 and still do this every time I have to go shopping, like a reward for completing the draining task)
A former friend I met up with at a pub parked in a handicapped spot because they couldn't find a spot in less than two blocks. They didn't have a handicap or a disability vehicle tag. I had biked and walked four blocks just because I liked walking. Stopped being friends with them after that for being so ableist and a general asshole. Really tells you a lot about a person.
I hate how much time people waste doing this. Depending on the store, I either park a couple spots from the cart return stations, or enter the back of the lot and park first available. Whatever your goal, wasting time trying to find a spot that meets specific constraints just…. Wastes your time
At my Costco especially
- people fight for garage space but there’s a really long ramp for your cart so it’s effectively much farther
- people fight for the lot by the door, but it small and crowded and choked with both pedestrian and car traffic. I can be parked and in the store before you make one lap
- main parking is long and skinny, but people only go straight up the main aisles. I just go one aisle over and there are more spots closer in and right by cart return
I purposefully park in the back. I don't get enough walking casually throughout the day. Plus I don't want people to ding my car.
My mother used to do that, too. I asked her about it, and she said, "You don't know how scary it is for a woman to walk a long distance in a parking lot."
Yeah, I’ll park a while away if it’s daytime, but I do get the creeps when I walk through an empty parking lot at night. I used to live in the US and drive regularly, and now I live in Germany and don’t, but I can therefore completely avoid parking lots even though I’m walking further, which honestly makes me feel a lot less targetable. I suspect the difference in general violence levels between the two countries has more to do with the difference in my perceived safety though.
First, the city should be ticketing every single vehicle that is parking in the road and blocking traffic. If I was a cop, I would just park myself right there and hand out easy tickets all day every day. Being in line for a drive through does not excuse blocking traffic.
But the bigger issue that people here are missing is that going into the store may not actually save you any time. Often when I've tried that at places like McDonalds, the drive through is far faster than waiting in the kitchen. Their whole operation is optimized for the drive through, and in-kitchen orders end up stuck in this weird ghetto backlog that they'll get to when they feel like getting to it.
If you are in the appropriate lane for the turn you intend to make, and the car in front of you isn't moving, I'm pretty sure the law doesn't require you to pick a different destination or ram the car ahead of you. What the law should be is a different question, but cop you would just see a bunch of tickets thrown out in quick succession. I don't know what that realistically means for the job, but it can't be good.
genuinely every time I go inside a place, it's faster than drive through
There is a popular place near me where the line could be as long as the photo and they would get you through in a few minutes. Of course that involves having several people walking the cars getting orders and taking money. The window hands out the food as fast as the drivers can pull up. It's insane but impressive.
Sometimes the drive through is just as fast as going inside. I’ve been at a mcD’s where I went in cause the line looked like this but I ended up waiting 20 mins for my order inside cause they were just slammed at that moment
On top of that, they prioritize the drive-through in a lot of these places.
Only by like a minute of average time-per-order, unless things have changed drastically since I worked in that industry. And only five of those cars are "in the system" so the big line shouldn't even be a factor. Also, depending on what you get at a Starbucks, they can prep several things in parallel. I'm hoping this is a "summer 2020 and every dining room is closed" situation but I don't really believe it.
Not to excuse it but some restaurants prioritize drive through over the people who order inside.
I love me a drive thru when I'm so exhausted I don't want to get out of the car. Car has comfy seats and HVAC. Normally I do prefer going in to get the order faster though.
What tunnel vision does to a mf
Because if you go in there is just no one taking your order and they completely deprioritize it too. Takes just as long or longer half the time I've tried
You point of order does not affect the maximum throughput, I guess.
If there's a line like this in the drive through I just move on. The inside is gonna be even slower than just waiting for drive through.
I hope this isn't a photo from mode pandemic... I mean fuck cars and all that, but drive thru was clutch for a bit there.
The brain rot is insane. Every Starbucks and Chickfila.
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