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Submission Statement

Between 2001 and 2021, under four U.S. presidents, the United States spent approximately $2.3 trillion, with 2,459 American military fatalities and up to 360,000 estimated Afghan civilian deaths.

After the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan in August 2021, approximately $7.12 billion worth of military equipment was left behind, according to a 2022 Department of Defense report. This equipment, transferred to the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces (ANDSF) from 2005 to 2021, included:

Weapons: Over 300,000 of 427,300 weapons, including rifles like M4s and M16s.  
Vehicles: More than 40,000 of 96,000 military vehicles, including 12,000 Humvees and 1,000 armored vehicles.  
Aircraft: 78 aircraft, valued at $923.3 million, left at Hamid Karzai International Airport, all demilitarized and rendered inoperable.  
Munitions: 9,524 air-to-ground munitions worth $6.54 million, mostly non-precision.  
Communications and Specialized Equipment: Nearly all communications gear (e.g., radios, encryption devices) and 42,000 pieces of night vision, surveillance, biometric, and positioning equipment.  

The total equipment provided to the ANDSF was valued at $18.6 billion, with the $7.12 billion figure representing what remained after the withdrawal. Much of this equipment is now under Taliban control, though its operational capability is limited due to the need for specialized maintenance and technical expertise.

The United States has provided at least $93.41 billion in total aid to Afghanistan since 2001. This includes:

Military Aid (2001–2020): Approximately $72.7 billion (in current dollars), primarily through the Afghanistan Security Forces Fund ($71.7 billion) and other programs like International Military Education and Training, Foreign Military Financing, and Peacekeeping Operations ($1 billion combined).  

Humanitarian and Reconstruction Aid (2001–2025): Around $20.71 billion, including $3 billion in humanitarian and development aid post-2021 and $3.5 billion in frozen Afghan assets transferred to the Afghan Fund in 2022. Pre-2021 reconstruction and humanitarian aid (e.g., $174 million in 2001 and $300 million pledged in 2002) adds to this, though exact figures for the full period are less clear.  
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[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 109 points 4 months ago

I mean yeah, all that, but did you even stop to consider how absolutely insanely wealthy we made like 7 people!?

God you people are so selfish with your wah wah thousands upon thousands have died! Think of the rich people for once!

:P

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 76 points 4 months ago
[-] ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

My goddamn brother in law, gung-ho air Force dude, is trying to get his Gen Z kids to enlist because it worked out so well for him. He enlisted during the magical late 90s so he wasn't shipped anywhere. Hardest thing he had to do was pushups and whatever hazing the other soldiers put him through.

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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 53 points 4 months ago

And yet, I've seen people on here criticize the withdrawal. Like, how much longer did you wanna stay, dawg? Another 20 years so the proxy we set up would last another week?

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This happened a lot around Afghanistan too.

If there's one thing both sides love in this country, it's permanent warfare, provided they can get the poors to do all the fighting and dying.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So many people are "anti-war," except for the current one.

[-] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 4 months ago

People didn't criticize the withdrawal itself (at least non-monsters didn't). People criticized the fact that in so many years there was no robust infrastructure built. They broke whatever was there before them, fucked around for decades, achieved jack shit, and left leaving power vacuum.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago

People didn’t criticize the withdrawal itself (at least non-monsters didn’t).

I mean, I'm not going to disagree with characterizing these .worlders for example as monsters, but it's not as if it was a fringe position.

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[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

and the USA claims healcare for its citizens is unaffordable

[-] bytesonbike@discuss.online 8 points 4 months ago

We're also cutting Veteran benefits, which has been a recurring thing.

[-] Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"Invade Afghanistan, you will regret it," is one of history's NCDish lessons. Like:

  • Don't invade Russia in winter.
  • Don't let Germany get too economically depressed.
  • Don't let the Chinese people get too unhappy with their govt.

Iran feels geographically close enough to inherit the curse for sure.

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[-] bigfoot@lemm.ee 22 points 4 months ago

Is this text AI generated? The civilian death toll in the "submission statement" is about 6x higher than accepted numbers and about 100K higher than all total deaths in the entire conflict.

IMO (AI or not) slop like this just "floods the zone with shit" while doing noting to help the progressive cause.

[-] brukernavn@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago

This is in the first paragraph of what you linked:

The Cost of War project estimated in 2015 that the number who have died through indirect causes related to the war may be as high as 360,000 additional people based on a ratio of indirect to direct deaths in contemporary conflicts.

[-] bigfoot@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I shouldn't need to tell you that that is a completely different statistic. You don't need to muddy the waters of truth to make the point.

[-] Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 20 points 4 months ago

You actually think they were there to stop the Taliban?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

Absolutely. The plan was to do in Afghanistan what we'd done in Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Argentina and the Philippines.

We wanted a local aristocracy beholden to the US business interests with a police force willing to brutalize dissidents. Taliban wasn't that thing, so they needed to be supplanted.

Problem was, the Afghan aristocracy that the US aligned with were more vile than the Taliban and rejected by the public at large. So the US spent 23 years killing everyone who refused to submit to them.

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[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

Don't forget the money and weapons you gave them before.

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[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I learned 2 important lesson from this.

  1. You can't bomb people into liking you.

  2. Most people don't give a shit about number 1.

Edit: AutoIncorrect got me.

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 14 points 4 months ago

before that it was the mujahadeen trained by SEALs/special operations, turned taliban.

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[-] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Throw another 20 years at it

Hell, throw another 100 years at it, it wouldn't make a difference

Doesn't even matter which country invades, it won't hold it for long.

Even Alexander the Great only briefly held it for 25 years after defeating Darius III

The people didn't want us there and we weren't interested in forcing ourselves on them like some kind of brutal Soviet satellite state

The rampant unchecked corruption was way worse than we thought and it was a major consideration for pulling out

Can't help people who are unwilling to help themselves

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 22 points 4 months ago

The war in Afghanistan was never about helping anyone. 🙄

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[-] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 months ago

Thanks to taco to negotiate withdrawal with Taliban instead with the Afghani government.

The current war with Iran is also because he withdraw from JCPOA, and looks like we know now why Netanyahu came to Mar-a-Lago June last year to see trump.

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[-] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago

This shit haunts me sometimes. I remember hearing somewhere that the Taliban actually offered to deliver OBL to the US if they would promise not to invade and we were like "get fucked, idiot". How many people's lives did we needlessly destroy, regardless of nationality, both in Iraq and Afghanistan? What else could have been bought besides misery with the nearly four trillion between those two wars?

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[-] 5paceThunder@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 months ago

This makes it seem that it was a pointless war but it wasn't once you know the real reason the US went into Afghanistan.

Just follow the money and see who got rich from this "war". It definitely was not pointless for them and their shiny new yachts and private planes.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Not cynical enough.

The goal of the war was to destroy Afghanistan and kill its people. The empire needs to "mow the grass" periodically to keep the underdeveloped world in its place.

Same in Iraq. Same in Libya. Same in Syria. The death and destruction is the point.

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[-] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Trump is deporting afghan collaborators who came here after that war.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Super Troopers joke about the Taliban warlord was in date, then hilariously out of date, then disturbingly in date again.

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[-] jh29a 6 points 4 months ago

it's the journey that counts?

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